Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Napkizemlja]

Ancient/medieval history is what we are grounded in.

Yes, the time where people lived to be thirty, massive plagues, serfdom, people not bathing. Take us back to that era please.

People bathed during the medieval period. Daily bathing wasn't something that became common until quite recently. Also the low mortality rate was due to many children dying, once you hit around 18-21 you could expect to live for around another 40 years or so.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Yes, the time where people lived to be thirty, massive plagues, serfdom, people not bathing. Take us back to that era please.

People bathed during the medieval period. Daily bathing wasn't something that became common until quite recently. Also the low mortality rate was due to many children dying, once you hit around 18-21 you could expect to live for around another 40 years or so.

I mean, you’re not wrong, but (and this is just speculation) I suspect that LiberNovusAmericae’s intent was that the postclassical period lacked many of the comforts and privileges that we take for granted nowadays. And that should be kept in mind. I mean, the common portrayal of postclassical Eurasia as a grimdark dystopia is historically inaccurate, but that doesn’t make it some kind of noblebright utopia either, y’know?

[Diopolis]

Yes, the time where people lived to be thirty, massive plagues, serfdom, people not bathing. Take us back to that era please.

People bathed during the medieval period. Daily bathing wasn't something that became common until quite recently. Also the low mortality rate was due to many children dying, once you hit around 18-21 you could expect to live for around another 40 years or so.

TBH, outside of famine years, a high mortality rate was due almost entirely to the prevailing technological regime, with the rest because of more frequent warfare. In famine years you can make a case for social organization playing a part, but not the strongest one.
Oh, and up until the black death, frequent bathing was extremely common. It just wasn't every day- and it wasn't every day in the fifties USA either(it still isn't every day in some parts of europe).

[Novus America]

Although during the 30 Years War Germany was in fact a grimdark dystopia.
A movie or show set during it would be cool though.
Early 1600s were metal.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Although during the 30 Years War Germany was in fact a grimdark dystopia.
A movie or show set during it would be cool though.
Early 1600s were metal.

Speaking of which, I would very much like to see an adaptation of Warhammer Fantasy. It would be very cash money, in my view.

[Nova Cyberia]

Although during the 30 Years War Germany was in fact a grimdark dystopia.
A movie or show set during it would be cool though.
Early 1600s were metal.

Somehow Germany always gets destroyed.

[Northern Davincia]

Although during the 30 Years War Germany was in fact a grimdark dystopia.
A movie or show set during it would be cool though.
Early 1600s were metal.

Somehow Germany always gets destroyed.

It never stays that way, sadly.

[North German Realm]

Although during the 30 Years War Germany was in fact a grimdark dystopia.
A movie or show set during it would be cool though.
Early 1600s were metal.

Somehow Germany always gets destroyed.

I mean that's usually what happens when you're surrounded by Great Powers by all sides. They tend to fight in your land and avoid fighting in their own as much as its necessary.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That history's literally awesome lol.

I don't find ancient history or medieval history to be as good as modern history. You see, I enjoy modern history because it can be viewed as a conflict of ideologies and of worldviews much moreso than earlier history. I can't identify with the ideology or the ethos of many pre-Renaissance figures or nations, so I can't get that interested. If you are more traditionalistic or reactionary, I can understand why you might be more interested in medieval or ancient history.

That can flipped around.

I don't quite understand. Are you saying that reactionary or traditionalist ideologies can't be rejected purely based on the fact they had empires in their name either? If that's the case, I agree.

[Great Minarchistan]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

[Jack Thomas Lang]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

Imagine being this wrong.

I guess the Declaration of Independence is the beginning of history?

[Conserative Morality]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

Imagine being this wrong.

I guess the Declaration of Independence is the beginning of history?

[Duvniask]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

People who think like this are sleep pill-tier.

And in my experience with sleeping pills, they couldn't even make me sleep.

[Great Minarchistan]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

Imagine being this wrong.

I guess the Declaration of Independence is the beginning of history?

Ballpark, yes, along with Adam Smith writing the Wealth of Nations

[Great Minarchistan]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

People who think like this are sleep pill-tier.

And in my experience with sleeping pills, they couldn't even make me sleep.

:yeahok:

[Bienenhalde]

Progressives aren't grounded in anything. That's why it's so dangerous.

I disagree. They have their own myths, traditions and historical reference points.

For example the Stonewall riots are of great significance for the LGBT movement.

Yeah. I mean, I guess considering how they were mistreated by the police, it is understandable the LGBT people at the time were reluctant to cooperate and things got out of hand. It was not exactly a glorious or heroic occasion, though.

[Hanafuridake]

I disagree. They have their own myths, traditions and historical reference points.

For example the Stonewall riots are of great significance for the LGBT movement.

Yeah. I mean, I guess considering how they were mistreated by the police, it is understandable the LGBT people at the time were reluctant to cooperate and things got out of hand. It was not exactly a glorious or heroic occasion, though.

Seeing a drag queen punch a cop is one of the most glorious sights there are, tbh.

[Bienenhalde]

Since we all love history and speculation, what about the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-T ... (1919-1922)
?

And the Treaty of Sèvres?

I think giving Greece Smyrna was a mistake, instead Greece should have received the west side of the Bosporus (including old Constantinople) but nothing on mainland Asia Minor, as it did not have the population to defend it. That would have worked, because defending the water would be easier.

And I am not sure why the Greeks charged off Napoleon style into the middle of Asia Minor only to suffer the same fate.

It is really a shame that the Treaty of Sèvres was never properly enforced, especially considering how the Turkish Republic treated minorities and the way Greeks were ethnically cleansed from regions where their ancestors had lived for over two thousand years.

[Bear Stearns]

Yeah. I mean, I guess considering how they were mistreated by the police, it is understandable the LGBT people at the time were reluctant to cooperate and things got out of hand. It was not exactly a glorious or heroic occasion, though.

Seeing a drag queen punch a cop is one of the most glorious sights there are, tbh.

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

[Bear Stearns]

pre-1700s history is legitimately sleep pill-tier

Imagine being this wrong.

I guess the Declaration of Independence is the beginning of history?

Lowkey, I do believe that the calendar should be rearranged so that 1492 is Year 0.

[Novus America]

Since we all love history and speculation, what about the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-T ... (1919-1922)
?

And the Treaty of Sèvres?

I think giving Greece Smyrna was a mistake, instead Greece should have received the west side of the Bosporus (including old Constantinople) but nothing on mainland Asia Minor, as it did not have the population to defend it. That would have worked, because defending the water would be easier.

And I am not sure why the Greeks charged off Napoleon style into the middle of Asia Minor only to suffer the same fate.

It is really a shame that the Treaty of Sèvres was never properly enforced, especially considering how the Turkish Republic treated minorities and the way Greeks were ethnically cleansed from regions where their ancestors had lived for over two thousand years.

I agree, but it was badly designed in not basing the division on defensible borders, and relying on the French and British who had no will to enforce it.

Had the borders been more defensible though Greece could have still held them, even without British and French support.

[Diopolis]

Seeing a drag queen punch a cop is one of the most glorious sights there are, tbh.

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

But don't you know? Rejecting gender bolshevism is homophobic!

[Hanafuridake]

Seeing a drag queen punch a cop is one of the most glorious sights there are, tbh.

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

Nay, all of the drag queens that I've known are good people.

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

But don't you know? Rejecting gender bolshevism is homophobic!

“Gender bolshevism.”

[Conserative Morality]

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

Nay, all of the drag queens that I've known are good people.

But don't you know? Rejecting gender bolshevism is homophobic!

“Gender bolshevism.”

Fucking Shakespeare and his 17th century queers. They're the ones who started this mess!

(please note, esp. mods: this is not in the least bit serious, but rather, is mocking the stated position)

[Diopolis]

Seeing drag queens in general is unsettling, especially when they're around children.

Nay, all of the drag queens that I've known are good people.

But don't you know? Rejecting gender bolshevism is homophobic!

“Gender bolshevism.”

Those cat headed Nazis make imperial stormtroopers look like Navy Seals.