Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Diopolis]

>> mfw

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b4/3e/d5/b43ed59040ddbe506a845db9ee03cb93.jpg

Let's be fair here: he's not the only poster who's tried to justify slavery.


If you think it's actionable, report it. Otherwise, I agree with Jolthig- the Islam debate is going nowhere and we should all move onto other topics, like the role of the state. Or porcupines.

Oooh, the role of the state, I like that topic. The role of the state is to serve Allah SWT to the best of its ability. Also what do y'all think about that cross memorial situation?

Can we at least try to do that without discussing Islam?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b4/3e/d5/b43ed59040ddbe506a845db9ee03cb93.jpg

Oooh, the role of the state, I like that topic. The role of the state is to serve Allah SWT to the best of its ability. Also what do y'all think about that cross memorial situation?

Can we at least try to do that without discussing Islam?

You brought up a topic (role of the state) that's bound to have religious views. Like, I'm not gonna argue the role of the state from a non-Muslim perspective lol.

We can talk about the cross memorial case tho. Or right-wing history. Or the future of conservatism in the world.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Sure, if one poster would stop trying to throw Islam into every debate, stop spamming links to Islamic texts and stop trying to justify slavery we could do that.

Let's be fair here: he's not the only poster who's tried to justify slavery.

Lol, apparently telling posters they should be taken prisoner and ransomed is now not actionable.

If you think it's actionable, report it. Otherwise, I agree with Jolthig- the Islam debate is going nowhere and we should all move onto other topics, like the role of the state. Or porcupines.

I did report it, mods said it wasn't actionable. You have to understand that I have friends who have been in many of the situations El Amin describes (I've known people who lived most of their lives as sex slaves, and I know someone who is an apostate from Islam), and it makes me very uncomfortable that El Amin so casually discusses these topics as if they aren't real people.

[Diopolis]

Can we at least try to do that without discussing Islam?

You brought up a topic (role of the state) that's bound to have religious views. Like, I'm not gonna argue the role of the state from a non-Muslim perspective lol.

We can talk about the cross memorial case tho. Or right-wing history. Or the future of conservatism in the world.

How about porcupines, and not with reference as to whether they're halal?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You brought up a topic (role of the state) that's bound to have religious views. Like, I'm not gonna argue the role of the state from a non-Muslim perspective lol.

We can talk about the cross memorial case tho. Or right-wing history. Or the future of conservatism in the world.

How about porcupines, and not with reference as to whether they're halal?

Yeah, they're pretty cool. Spiny as heck tho. Idk if I've ever seen one irl.

[Diopolis]

How about porcupines, and not with reference as to whether they're halal?

Yeah, they're pretty cool. Spiny as heck tho. Idk if I've ever seen one irl.

They show the natural law favors self defense rights.

[Hanafuridake]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, they're pretty cool. Spiny as heck tho. Idk if I've ever seen one irl.

They show the natural law favors self defense rights.

Ooooo philosophy
I mean doesn't pretty much every living thing prove that?

[Diopolis]

They show the natural law favors self defense rights.

Ooooo philosophy
I mean doesn't pretty much every living thing prove that?

Porcupines are a particular example.

[Conserative Morality]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

Yes, they are madmen and absolutely glorious.

[Diopolis]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

They're one of those groups that's so silly you can't help but be fascinated.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

So that's where that flag comes from.
This is the 1st time I've heard of them and nah, that's just silly. Ancient Rome doesn't exist anymore and most its culture is gone. No point in reviving it.

[Thanatttynia]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

Revivalism is inherently fascinating and silly, i.e. interesting to think about and can see the appeal but unless they cloak their intentions better they remain LARPers without any chance of effecting real change

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Polytheistic

https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0

[Mostrov]

Never in any of my posts have I referenced ISIS as an example of how Islamic slavery should be practiced, or of anything in Al-Islam. You must've not read anything I said either.

It is the logical end result of what you preach, however—the same dehumanisation, the same belief what they are doing is a genuinely pious thing.

I have, and am probably the only, one to have read your long list of links and watched your videos—ironically preached by a man wearing a suit and tie and a taqiyah, the very essence of a westernised Islam—and what I can say is that: teach-yourself-islam-online.com has left you disconnected from the actual sunnah and ummah: have you tried talking about this thing you are so passionate about with your parents, your local iman or nearest mosque and seen their reaction to speaking such nonsense?

One would have thought that the notion that humans are imperfect and liable to failure would have been impressed into your Islamic education, but you persist in thinking, and that any such practises which rely on a perfect ideal are unlikely to result in a perfect reality. For all your Salafist tendencies, how was it that the ummah was led away from the shariah of 'Rashidun' in the first place? During which, it might be noted, there were already visible the problems that were so soon to cleave the Islamic world apart in times hereafter into conflict. And if the companions of the Prophet himself were unable to stop this, what makes it likely that you, a person of more fallible times, can revive this successfully? What has kept the Islamic world from following shariah 'properly' this whole time if it were as simple as doing the right thing?

You don't seem to grasp this fundamental distinction between the theoretical and the practical, that something you might hope for will in fact not be as you say in reality. This is why people are so critical of your ideas of slavery, women etc., because these same words have been used to defend historically what were abominable things and were abused. This is an empirical, not theoretical observation, and so is sounder than any hadith you can ever provide. Its rather like pointing out that murder is a major sin, and therefore there won't be any murders in an Islamic society, ignoring that that there were even in the times you most idolize. As you are unfamiliar with Islamic history, I ask, why is it that Pakistan—a nation created by people with almost identical purpose to you and indeed the origin of many of your ideals—has not become a utopia since its founding?

[Conserative Morality]

Does anyone else find Nova Roma fascinating, even if a bit silly?

So that's where that flag comes from.
This is the 1st time I've heard of them and nah, that's just silly. Ancient Rome doesn't exist anymore and most its culture is gone. No point in reviving it.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

[Conserative Morality]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

Moogle.

[Diopolis]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

That's a funny way of saying cheap Timurid knockoff.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

Moogle.

[Hanafuridake]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

Maurya.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Mughal

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Never in any of my posts have I referenced ISIS as an example of how Islamic slavery should be practiced, or of anything in Al-Islam. You must've not read anything I said either.

It is the logical end result of what you preach, however—the same dehumanisation, the same belief what they are doing is a genuinely pious thing.

I have, and am probably the only, one to have read your long list of links and watched your videos—ironically preached by a man wearing a suit and tie and a taqiyah, the very essence of a westernised Islam—and what I can say is that: teach-yourself-islam-online.com has left you disconnected from the actual sunnah and ummah: have you tried talking about this thing you are so passionate about with your parents, your local iman or nearest mosque and seen their reaction to speaking such nonsense?

One would have thought that the notion that humans are imperfect and liable to failure would have been impressed into your Islamic education, but you persist in thinking, and that any such practises which rely on a perfect ideal are unlikely to result in a perfect reality. For all your Salafist tendencies, how was it that the ummah was led away from the shariah of 'Rashidun' in the first place? During which, it might be noted, there were already visible the problems that were so soon to cleave the Islamic world apart in times hereafter into conflict. And if the companions of the Prophet himself were unable to stop this, what makes it likely that you, a person of more fallible times, can revive this successfully? What has kept the Islamic world from following shariah 'properly' this whole time if it were as simple as doing the right thing?

You don't seem to grasp this fundamental distinction between the theoretical and the practical, that something you might hope for will in fact not be as you say in reality. This is why people are so critical of your ideas of slavery, women etc., because these same words have been used to defend historically what were abominable things and were abused. This is an empirical, not theoretical observation, and so is sounder than any hadith you can ever provide. Its rather like pointing out that murder is a major sin, and therefore there won't be any murders in an Islamic society, ignoring that that there were even in the times you most idolize. As you are unfamiliar with Islamic history, I ask, why is it that Pakistan—a nation created by people with almost identical purpose to you and indeed the origin of many of your ideals—has not become a utopia since its founding?

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[Kowani]

Well, RWDT, which is it: Mogul or Mughal?

Mongol.

[Jolthig]

The role of the state should be that it should be just to the people, take care of them (common sense), and to protect them from harm. That's three basic principles I thought on my mind.

I actually recall reading in the federalist papers and I believe theres a section in our constitution too where it says the state should protect us from invaders since at that time it was the british, canadians, and native Americans. Very interesting