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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
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26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:22 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Gnothi Sauton, because a woman's place is not in the military. The officer corps should be made up of gentlemen, and so should have conduct which, like other servants of the state, shows the public how to act. Even if a woman would make an excellent officer, it would be best if other uses were to be found for her talents to avoid encouraging individualist attitudes amongst the people.

Because the natural telos of the sexual act is to, in the first place, generate children, in the second, to bond their parents, and only in the third for concupable purposes. Homosexual couples cannot have children, and so only the third part can be reached, and so homosexual sex, much like casual sex, is degeneracy. Of course, there's nothing that needs to be illegal about courtly love style romance without sex, but it looks bad, so should not be encouraged among the citizenry.

You would deprive yourself of a fine officer just to discourage the slightest ounce of individualism?

There are a number of fine officers to be found without recruiting women. Their place is on the home front.
No, the purpose of sex is not recreation, the purpose is whatever those involved in the sex want.

That may be the case in individual liaisons, but the natural purpose of sexual relationships is the threefold of which I spoke. That which destroys such a natural meaning is degenerate, whether by subverting one purpose(contraception, casual sex) or separating the purposes from one another(as with homosexuality).
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Diopolis wrote:That makes a certain amount of sense. Albeit, AWB shows how terrorism like that usually doesn't work.


Quite.

I probably won't be able to post it to NS for various reasons but I've slowly been putting my thoughts on paper on why I feel it's a flawed approach and what I feel would be a better accelerationist/asymmetric style campaign. Having taken in so much literature on the topic over the past couple months has made me want to write a bit of my own lol.

That sounds like a very interesting project.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:25 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You would deprive yourself of a fine officer just to discourage the slightest ounce of individualism?

There are a number of fine officers to be found without recruiting women. Their place is on the home front.
No, the purpose of sex is not recreation, the purpose is whatever those involved in the sex want.

That may be the case in individual liaisons, but the natural purpose of sexual relationships is the threefold of which I spoke. That which destroys such a natural meaning is degenerate, whether by subverting one purpose(contraception, casual sex) or separating the purposes from one another(as with homosexuality).

Except, y’know, homosexuality (and by relation), homosexual sex-is natural. There’s no subversion of anything going on.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Quite.

I probably won't be able to post it to NS for various reasons but I've slowly been putting my thoughts on paper on why I feel it's a flawed approach and what I feel would be a better accelerationist/asymmetric style campaign. Having taken in so much literature on the topic over the past couple months has made me want to write a bit of my own lol.

Would you mind TGing me your thoughts on that? I'm not in favor of a violent insurrection, but it's interesting to know what kind of violence is actually integral to fascism.

Yeah can you TG me too...sounds like a very interesting topic.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:10 pm

Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:19 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again

That's not in Iran though
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:25 pm

North German Realm wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again

That's not in Iran though


They were an Iranian people.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:27 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
North German Realm wrote:That's not in Iran though


They were an Iranian people.
Fair enough
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:05 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again

Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again

Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again

The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:12 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:Broke: Make America Great Again
Woke: Make Iranians Buddhist Again

Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again

Actually, even better: Make Iran And The Rest Of The Ummah Muslim Again
(As in not ascribing to a sect. I'm not saying Sunnis and Shi'as aren't Muslim but it'd be better to just call oneself Muslim)
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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:40 am

North German Realm wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again

The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again


Pls no, not more Sassanids.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:20 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again


Pls no, not more Sassanids.

Don't worry, the Raashidun got your back ;)
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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:52 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Pls no, not more Sassanids.

Don't worry, the Raashidun got your back ;)


No thanks, I don't want to be a slave.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:55 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again


Pls no, not more Sassanids.

Eh. I am no fan of the Sassanids either. Their inaction regarding the Arab revolt and their stupidity in the War of 602-628 was one of the three reasons for the fuck-up that is the modern Middle East.


Hanafuridake wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Don't worry, the Raashidun got your back ;)


No thanks, I don't want to be a slave.

Inb4 muh Islamic Slavery
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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:11 am

In regards to Christianity, and Rome the answer is simply that the Greco-Roman gods are dead. The last oracle of Delphi grew despondent over the silence of Apollo, and in a discussion with an imperial envoy relayed the silence. The death of the old gods of the Greco-Roman world was an inevitability not even Julian the apostate could foresee. His efforts to create a cohesive religion even if he had lived most likely would have failed. My only regret is we didn't solve the Arian issue in more apocalyptic terms. The Arian Germanics, and Trinitarian Latins a true clash of civilizations that fizzled out with conversion, and marriages.

Now we have a bunch of unitarians running around in the mud, and the worst of them all thinks they are so enlightened that they have "evolved" beyond Christianity.
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:00 am

Conserative Morality wrote:All the great men of history pass down their souls into all of us; those millions who are heirs to their spirit and their thinking. We are all, in a sense, reincarnations of these great souls, and reflect both their origin and their continued development within us.

No I don't actually believe that but it's a nice intro innit?

OT - the heir of Benjamin Disraeli

Nea Byzantia - the heir of Constantine

UMN - the heir of Leo Tolstoy

WRA - the heir of Ted Kaczynski Cato The Younger

Salus Maior - the heir of Casimir The Great

Novus America - the heir of Teddy Roosevelt

Hanafuridake - the heir of Emperor Komei

Bienenhalde - the heir of Frederick The Great

Diopolis - the heir of Charles Maurras

You're not the heir of Mithridates, so I'm disappointed.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:13 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
North German Realm wrote:The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again


Pls no, not more Sassanids.

I'd take the Sassanids over the Muslim empires any day of the week. The Byzantines and Sassanids may have been enemies, but at least they sort of had an understanding of each other.

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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Pls no, not more Sassanids.

I'd take the Sassanids over the Muslim empires any day of the week. The Byzantines and Sassanids may have been enemies, but at least they sort of had an understanding of each other.


Oh the Sassanids are vastly preferable to the Muslim empires. There were moments of persecution, but for the most part, they seemed to tolerate the Buddhist population under their reign. The Muslims on the other hand...
We came down on them like a flood,
We went out among their cities,
We tore down the idol-temples,
We shat on the Buddha's head!
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:22 am

North German Realm wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again

The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:26 am

North German Realm wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Bespoke: Make Iran Sunni Again

The-one-above-bespoke-because-I-don't-think-it-actually-exists: Make The Middle East Pagan and Zoroastrian Again


This but unironically. Bring back ziggurats.
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Postby Novus America » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:28 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Pls no, not more Sassanids.

I'd take the Sassanids over the Muslim empires any day of the week. The Byzantines and Sassanids may have been enemies, but at least they sort of had an understanding of each other.


Interesting alternate history.
Phocas and Khosrow II never take power, and less insane and less incompetent people rule both.
Together they realize instead of fighting each other they need to unite against this upstart Arab warlord named Muhammad.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:09 am

Novus America wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'd take the Sassanids over the Muslim empires any day of the week. The Byzantines and Sassanids may have been enemies, but at least they sort of had an understanding of each other.


Interesting alternate history.
Phocas and Khosrow II never take power, and less insane and less incompetent people rule both.
Together they realize instead of fighting each other they need to unite against this upstart Arab warlord named Muhammad.

That would've been easier if Phokas had never deposed Maurice (ruled: 582 AD - 602 AD), as Maurice helped Kushrau to the throne in 591, and as such, Khusrau and Maurice were allies. The Persians declared war on the Byzantines in 602, in reaction to Phokas' coup, and subsequent brutal murder of Maurice and his entire family; Khusrau wanted to avenge the death of his friend, but once he started having success, he decided he wanted to keep pushing - even after Phokas was deposed by Herakleios (ruled: 610 AD - 641 AD) in 610 AD. Both Empires walked away from that war beaten and bruised; if it had never happened in the first place, the Rashiduns would've never stood a chance against either individually - let alone their combined forces - and Islam would've been a historical footnote, contained at best to the Arabian Peninsula.

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Postby Diopolis » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:12 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Interesting alternate history.
Phocas and Khosrow II never take power, and less insane and less incompetent people rule both.
Together they realize instead of fighting each other they need to unite against this upstart Arab warlord named Muhammad.

That would've been easier if Phokas had never deposed Maurice (ruled: 582 AD - 602 AD), as Maurice helped Kushrau to the throne in 591, and as such, Khusrau and Maurice were allies. The Persians declared war on the Byzantines in 602, in reaction to Phokas' coup, and subsequent brutal murder of Maurice and his entire family; Khusrau wanted to avenge the death of his friend, but once he started having success, he decided he wanted to keep pushing - even after Phokas was deposed by Herakleios (ruled: 610 AD - 641 AD) in 610 AD. Both Empires walked away from that war beaten and bruised; if it had never happened in the first place, the Rashiduns would've never stood a chance against either individually - let alone their combined forces - and Islam would've been a historical footnote, contained at best to the Arabian Peninsula.

So it's like Germany winning WWI in the list of things that would have been for the best, but wouldn't have happened because of pigheaded personalities.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:14 am

Diopolis wrote:So it's like Germany winning WWI in the list of things that would have been for the best, but wouldn't have happened because of pigheaded personalities.

I'd say yeah, pretty much.
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