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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:17 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:And how old are you, sir?

Twenty three.

What the fuck, how are you younger than me?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Twenty three.

What the fuck, how are you younger than me?


Biggest controversy since we all found out your username wasn't Conservative Morality.
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:24 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:What the fuck, how are you younger than me?


Biggest controversy since we all found out your username wasn't Conservative Morality.

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Twenty three.

What the fuck, how are you younger than me?


Looks like Old Tyrannia's...

8)

... not so old after all.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:26 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:It all started with me talking about the Ottoman oppression of Orthodox Christians in their domains, and I brought up two items:

1) the Jizyia (the religious Tax)

2) The Janissary/ Devshirme system (called the "Blood Tax" by the Christians): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devshirme

So far, everybody's discussed the Jizyia, I haven't heard anybody talked about the "Blood Tax" and the Janissaries who came out of it.

I'm pretty sure that Christians have long since lost the right to complain about how other religions treat heathens and heretics unfairly. Islamic policies for dealing with religious enemies in the medieval and renaissance eras are barbaric by modern standards, but the first thing medieval and renaissance Christians did upon taking over a country was commit mass murder against pretty much everyone who wasn't a Christian.


See we got rid of punishment by blood a long time ago (except in North Korea).
Literally no Christians alive today were alive during the Renaissance!
Also appeal to hypocrisy is still a fallacy, even if they were.

This is like saying nobody in Russia should be able to complain about what the Nazis did because of the atrocities committed by the Soviets.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:58 pm

In other news, my first day at my first "true" job (i.e. a job that isn't volunteer work) is tomorrow, so that's neat, I guess. I'm working the afternoon/evening shift as a package handler/sorter at UPS.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:02 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:In other news, my first day at my first "true" job (i.e. a job that isn't volunteer work) is tomorrow, so that's neat, I guess. I'm working the afternoon/evening shift as a package handler/sorter at UPS.

I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:06 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:In other news, my first day at my first "true" job (i.e. a job that isn't volunteer work) is tomorrow, so that's neat, I guess. I'm working the afternoon/evening shift as a package handler/sorter at UPS.

I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


If I recall correctly, people with autism aren't (generally speaking) allowed to serve in the military. And thank you for wishing me well.
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The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:13 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


If I recall correctly, people with autism aren't (generally speaking) allowed to serve in the military. And thank you for wishing me well.

I had a blood pressure issue, so I didn't enlist. But if I hadn't I might well have joined ROTC and gone through college. How different it might have been...
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:24 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


If I recall correctly, people with autism aren't (generally speaking) allowed to serve in the military. And thank you for wishing me well.


Well as long as you have no record of it you are fine.
If you have an official diagnosis you need to report that, but you probably can get a waiver.

It still is worth talking to a recruiter if you are interested.
At least then you know for sure.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

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Postby Joohan » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:45 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
If I recall correctly, people with autism aren't (generally speaking) allowed to serve in the military. And thank you for wishing me well.

I had a blood pressure issue, so I didn't enlist. But if I hadn't I might well have joined ROTC and gone through college. How different it might have been...


The 5th marked my 1 year mark in active service.

... really wish I had joined the air force.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:58 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:In other news, my first day at my first "true" job (i.e. a job that isn't volunteer work) is tomorrow, so that's neat, I guess. I'm working the afternoon/evening shift as a package handler/sorter at UPS.

I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


I spent my teens as a landscaper. Would get nasty sunburns removing stumps and laying bricks. It provided some much needed perspective on things.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:38 pm

Painisia wrote:So I can see that great civilizations and cultures are clashing together in a brutal war here?


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First American Empire
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:What the fuck, how are you younger than me?


Looks like Old Tyrannia's...

8)

... not so old after all.


While we're on the topic of age, I'm 25.
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First American Empire
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Postby First American Empire » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:59 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:In other news, my first day at my first "true" job (i.e. a job that isn't volunteer work) is tomorrow, so that's neat, I guess. I'm working the afternoon/evening shift as a package handler/sorter at UPS.

I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


Why only men? I've found my job as a bodyguard just as character-building as a man would. (Doing hard physical labor shouldn't be mandatory though, for obvious reasons.)
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:01 am

First American Empire wrote:Why only men? I've found my job as a bodyguard just as character-building as a man would. (Doing hard physical labor shouldn't be mandatory though, for obvious reasons.)

Aren't you trans?
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Postby 5 kingdoms of Britannia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:05 am

I think British style of empire was good, change my mind

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:24 am

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:I think British style of empire was good, change my mind

You like the British Empire?
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Postby First American Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:30 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
First American Empire wrote:Why only men? I've found my job as a bodyguard just as character-building as a man would. (Doing hard physical labor shouldn't be mandatory though, for obvious reasons.)

Aren't you trans?


I got this job after I had transitioned.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:38 am

Torrocca wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:What the fuck, how are you younger than me?


Looks like Old Tyrannia's...

8)

... not so old after all.

But who wants to be known as Young Tyrannia?

This actually sounds like a setup to one of those "yo mama" jokes the damn kids these days are saying.

Yo mama so old she knew Old Tyrannia as YOUNG Tyrannia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:13 am

Joohan wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I had a blood pressure issue, so I didn't enlist. But if I hadn't I might well have joined ROTC and gone through college. How different it might have been...


The 5th marked my 1 year mark in active service.

... really wish I had joined the air force.

Why the Air Force?

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:52 am

First American Empire wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I wish you luck. It is my firm belief that all young men who don't enter the military for a time should spend at least some time doing hard physical labor for someone they're not related to- it builds character.


Why only men? I've found my job as a bodyguard just as character-building as a man would. (Doing hard physical labor shouldn't be mandatory though, for obvious reasons.)

Because I'm a sexist.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:54 am

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:I think British style of empire was good, change my mind

Every empire has something we can learn.
In the case of the British and German empires, they both found a practical use for young men wealthy enough not to have to work. That's impressive by the standards of world history- Rome had them attack random people in the street and America has them become SJWs.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:55 am

Diopolis wrote:
First American Empire wrote:
Why only men? I've found my job as a bodyguard just as character-building as a man would. (Doing hard physical labor shouldn't be mandatory though, for obvious reasons.)

Because I'm a sexist.

I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:57 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Because I'm a sexist.

I can't tell whether this is a self-depricatory joke, or a plain and proud statement.


The latter.

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