Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Hanafuridake]

I wasn't aware that there were European daimyo who Muslim immigrants have been convincing to give land away.

The "selling Europeans as slaves", and "burning down churches" parts are also things I wasn't aware of.

In my defense, I didn't want to tackle this while on autopilot from lack of sleep.

[Bienenhalde]

converting old churches into mosques

I mean, yes, it is sad that this is happening, but I think the real fault here is with white Europeans who are abandoning God and Christianity in favor of secular materialism. We really need to look into the faults of our own modern society instead of just blaming it all on brown people and immigrants.

[Bear Stearns]

I wasn't aware that there were European daimyo who Muslim immigrants have been convincing to give land away.

The "selling Europeans as slaves", and "burning down churches" parts are also things I wasn't aware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

[North German Realm]

converting old churches into mosques

I mean, yes, it is sad that this is happening, but I think the real fault here is with white Europeans who are abandoning God and Christianity in favor of secular materialism. We really need to look into the faults of our own modern society instead of just blaming it all on brown people and immigrants.

The problem isn't that White Europeans are abandoning god and Christianity. The problem is that they're not sticking by their choice "having god and Christianity abandoned in the European societies" when accepting immigrants.

[Bienenhalde]

https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

Again, this is not necessarily the fault of Muslims. Remember the persecution of Christianity in the French Revolution? Remember the church arsonist Varg Vikernes?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

The "selling Europeans as slaves", and "burning down churches" parts are also things I wasn't aware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

Do you have any evidence of this being a common thing, or is "it happened once" enough for you?

[North German Realm]

The "selling Europeans as slaves", and "burning down churches" parts are also things I wasn't aware of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

I can't believe I'm defending Muslims on any thread in NSG, but come on.
Ignoring the part that the Muslims' response (as you can see in the wikipedia page you sent me) was actually much more substantial than the response to "Christians literally kidnapped and sent Japanese women to be raped by various people in the Portuguese Colonial Empire", the latter post literally has no mention of "Islam", "Muslim", or anything of the type. In fact, People don't know who's causing the desecrations in the first place. (Actually, Anarchists and Feminists were blamed... for some reason, but nothing substantial). So, do you have anything other than a single event -possibly an exception- and an article that literally doesn't mention any party responsible?

[Bear Stearns]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

Do you have any evidence of this being a common thing, or is "it happened once" enough for you?

1,400 trafficked children is an insane number of people. I'm not sure how that can be ignored (unless you're British police lol).

And the church attacks are certainly not something that happened once.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

Do you have any evidence of this being a common thing, or is "it happened once" enough for you?

I mean, that wiki link has a bunch of other such incidents under See Also. I can only imagine how much of that shit hasn't been caught yet.

[Bear Stearns]

https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800

Again, this is not necessarily the fault of Muslims. Remember the persecution of Christianity in the French Revolution? Remember the church arsonist Varg Vikernes?

Seems unlikely that it's the French Revolutionaries at it again. Admittedly, we don't have reliable statistics because most of the time the perpetrators are never caught and also French doesn't keep good statistics on ethnicity/religion and crime.

[Old Tyrannia]

30,000 members of the Orthodox Church isn't particularly impressive and you can't really play the persecution card when the reason your religion got into trouble with the shogunal authorities was partly because of sexual slavery.

Even if some of the Portuguese were involved in sexual slavery, their actions were contradictory to the teachings of Christianity. And anyway didn't Shinto and Japanese Buddhism historically rather permissive regarding the practice of sexual slavery?

What is it about Japanese culture that you actually like, Bien? I mean, you style yourself as a japanophile but whenever I've seen you talking about Japanese culture and history, your take has seemed quite dismissive or even hostile.

Also, I've just realised that you are actually older than me and it is freaking me out a little.

[Nea Byzantia]

Even if some of the Portuguese were involved in sexual slavery, their actions were contradictory to the teachings of Christianity. And anyway didn't Shinto and Japanese Buddhism historically rather permissive regarding the practice of sexual slavery?

What is it about Japanese culture that you actually like, Bien? I mean, you style yourself as a japanophile but whenever I've seen you talking about Japanese culture and history, your take has seemed quite dismissive or even hostile.

Also, I've just realised that you are actually older than me and it is freaking me out a little.

And how old are you, sir?

[Old Tyrannia]

What is it about Japanese culture that you actually like, Bien? I mean, you style yourself as a japanophile but whenever I've seen you talking about Japanese culture and history, your take has seemed quite dismissive or even hostile.

Also, I've just realised that you are actually older than me and it is freaking me out a little.

And how old are you, sir?

Twenty three.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

What is it about Japanese culture that you actually like, Bien? I mean, you style yourself as a japanophile but whenever I've seen you talking about Japanese culture and history, your take has seemed quite dismissive or even hostile.

Also, I've just realised that you are actually older than me and it is freaking me out a little.

And how old are you, sir?

I was always under the impression that OT was in his late twenties to early thirties in terms of age.

And how old are you, sir?

Twenty three.

Really? You seem far wiser than most of the people in their early twenties that I've met.

[Nea Byzantia]

And how old are you, sir?

Twenty three.

That young? You're 3 years older than I.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Twenty three.

That young? You're 3 years older than I.

I suppose that I'm one of the younger ones here then, given as how I turned eighteen in January of this year.

[Old Tyrannia]

Twenty three.

Really? You seem far wiser than most of the people in their early twenties that I've met.

Thank you, that's quite a compliment, though I have to say I don't feel terribly wise most of the time.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Do you have any evidence of this being a common thing, or is "it happened once" enough for you?

1,400 trafficked children is an insane number of people. I'm not sure how that can be ignored (unless you're British police lol).

And the church attacks are certainly not something that happened once.

I'd like to take a moment to point out that Bear Stearns' entire point is that migrants are just as bad as Christians, and even that's pretty flimsy.
Anyway, moving on to our scheduled programming, what I was trying to say is that native Europeans also engage in human trafficking, and they also occasionally destroy places of worship, and they also receive benefits from the government for their places of worship, and they also disrespect the social norms of the countries they're in, so accusing migrants of doing those four things doesn't mean a whole lot by itself. You need to demonstrate that migrants do it much more than native Europeans (preferably adjusting for income, since migrants are poor and poor areas tend to have more crime), and that your solution is better than other proposed solutions, which you haven't done.

[Bienenhalde]

Even if some of the Portuguese were involved in sexual slavery, their actions were contradictory to the teachings of Christianity. And anyway didn't Shinto and Japanese Buddhism historically rather permissive regarding the practice of sexual slavery?

What is it about Japanese culture that you actually like, Bien? I mean, you style yourself as a japanophile but whenever I've seen you talking about Japanese culture and history, your take has seemed quite dismissive or even hostile.

Also, I've just realised that you are actually older than me and it is freaking me out a little.

That is a surprise to me too. I mean, I have to say, I like both traditional Japanese aesthetics and also anime. In political terms I would say I admire their monarchy and Confucian emphasis on social harmony. That said, there are some aspects of Japanese culture that bother me because they conflict with my Christian moral values.

[Kowani]

That young? You're 3 years older than I.

I suppose that I'm one of the younger ones here then, given as how I turned eighteen in January of this year.

Mate, I turned 17 last month.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I suppose that I'm one of the younger ones here then, given as how I turned eighteen in January of this year.

Mate, I turned 17 last month.

You're only seventeen? I'm genuinely surprised since I thought you were slightly older than me. But come to think of it, you being a teenager does explain the whole "egoistic hedonism" thing rather nicely.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It all started with me talking about the Ottoman oppression of Orthodox Christians in their domains, and I brought up two items:

1) the Jizyia (the religious Tax)

2) The Janissary/ Devshirme system (called the "Blood Tax" by the Christians): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devshirme

So far, everybody's discussed the Jizyia, I haven't heard anybody talked about the "Blood Tax" and the Janissaries who came out of it.

I'm no fan of Islam, but the Jizya is actually pretty fair. The janissary system, not so much.

Bout time someone who wasn't Muslim understands it now

After the missionaries made themselves unwelcome through violating social mores, selling Japanese in the slave trade, burning down temples and shrines, and convincing daimyo to donate feudal land to the Church.

Ah, so what Muslim immigrants have done in Europe.

I'm not aware of my brothers and sisters

selling Japanese in the slave trade, burning down temples and shrines, and convincing daimyo to donate feudal land to the Church.

(Just replace "Japanese" with "European" and "daimyo" with.....idk, people who've donated land to build a masjid, isn't bad at all.)

I wasn't aware that there were European daimyo who Muslim immigrants have been convincing to give land away.

The closest for that one is converting old churches into mosques and also establishing dangerous ethnic ghettos, but there are documented instances of the rest.

Dude no one establishes a ghetto. That's sounds like people want to be poor.

That young? You're 3 years older than I.

I suppose that I'm one of the younger ones here then, given as how I turned eighteen in January of this year.

Older than you by 2 months

Mate, I turned 17 last month.

You're only seventeen? I'm genuinely surprised since I thought you were slightly older than me. But come to think of it, you being a teenager does explain the whole "egoistic hedonism" thing rather nicely.

Yeah this is crazy, I thought Kowani was in his 20s

[Kowani]

Mate, I turned 17 last month.

You're only seventeen? I'm genuinely surprised since I thought you were slightly older than me. But come to think of it, you being a teenager does explain the whole "egoistic hedonism" thing rather nicely.

Do I really come off as that old?

And yes, edgy teenager jokes are hilarious. Never heard that one before.

You're only seventeen? I'm genuinely surprised since I thought you were slightly older than me. But come to think of it, you being a teenager does explain the whole "egoistic hedonism" thing rather nicely.

Yeah this is crazy, I thought Kowani was in his 20s

Surprise?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

You're only seventeen? I'm genuinely surprised since I thought you were slightly older than me. But come to think of it, you being a teenager does explain the whole "egoistic hedonism" thing rather nicely.

Do I really come off as that old?

And yes, edgy teenager jokes are hilarious. Never heard that one before.

In hindsight, the tone of the fine-print statement might have been somewhat impolite, even though it wasn't my intent. In layman's terms: O O F

[Kowani]

Do I really come off as that old?

And yes, edgy teenager jokes are hilarious. Never heard that one before.

In hindsight, the tone of the fine-print statement might have been somewhat impolite, even though it wasn't my intent. In layman's terms: O O F

Nah. I was going for a “dry, British humor” thing, but clearly, that didn’t convey well over text. I’m not actually annoyed.