Well, even if one does not believe in tolerance, one can still claim that liberals are liars and hypocrites for claiming tolerance as a core value while not being tolerant in actual practice.
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by Bienenhalde » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:55 pm
by North German Realm » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:02 pm
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by Hanafuridake » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:31 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So where's the forcing religion aspect?
Joohan wrote:We've no intention of sharing the stage.
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Joohan made many posts regarding this topic, namely the fact that he doesn't support forcing Christianity on people.
Joohan wrote:In a way actually, that was exactly what Jesus intended. Purge through converting the non-believers onto his path. Neither he, nor I, ever suggested CHRISTIAN DEATH SQUADS, but the laws of Heaven and the duities implied far outstrip any concept of NAP or bs natural rights purported by liberals and their ilk ( Temple, whip, merchants, etc. ). Christianity has never had an official Jurisprudence - the thought was always to have a Christian populace form a state, which would naturally accommodate our faith.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:33 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So where's the forcing religion aspect?Joohan wrote:We've no intention of sharing the stage.El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Joohan made many posts regarding this topic, namely the fact that he doesn't support forcing Christianity on people.
He has said that he doesn't support “Christian death squads,” not that he doesn't support a Christian state.Joohan wrote:In a way actually, that was exactly what Jesus intended. Purge through converting the non-believers onto his path. Neither he, nor I, ever suggested CHRISTIAN DEATH SQUADS, but the laws of Heaven and the duities implied far outstrip any concept of NAP or bs natural rights purported by liberals and their ilk ( Temple, whip, merchants, etc. ). Christianity has never had an official Jurisprudence - the thought was always to have a Christian populace form a state, which would naturally accommodate our faith.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Hanafuridake » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:40 pm
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:42 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:28 am
North German Realm wrote:Hanafuridake wrote:
Wait, so you're criticizing liberalism for being allegedly intolerant of Christianity but saying that Christianity should be intolerant of everyone else.
That makes... not a lot of sense.
He's criticizing Liberalism specifically because it doesn't allow him to show his intolerance in public as much as he could have before liberalism. You'll notice this is a trend.
by Kowani » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:30 am
Joohan wrote:North German Realm wrote:He's criticizing Liberalism specifically because it doesn't allow him to show his intolerance in public as much as he could have before liberalism. You'll notice this is a trend.
Ive a lot of criticisms for liberalism - but yeah this is what I am currently on about. Liberalism's core concept of tolerance and moral subjectivity has led naturally to the current state of societal norms.
Topical quote given the above poll, " Tolerance is the virtue of the man without conviction " - G.K. Chesterton. Tolerance is not a virtue, nor should it be treated as such. Or, perhaps a more famous quote from Archbishop Charles Chaput,
" Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty; these are Christian virtues. "
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:33 am
Hanafuridake wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So where's the forcing religion aspect?Joohan wrote:We've no intention of sharing the stage.El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Joohan made many posts regarding this topic, namely the fact that he doesn't support forcing Christianity on people.
He has said that he doesn't support “Christian death squads,” not that he doesn't support a Christian state.Joohan wrote:In a way actually, that was exactly what Jesus intended. Purge through converting the non-believers onto his path. Neither he, nor I, ever suggested CHRISTIAN DEATH SQUADS, but the laws of Heaven and the duities implied far outstrip any concept of NAP or bs natural rights purported by liberals and their ilk ( Temple, whip, merchants, etc. ). Christianity has never had an official Jurisprudence - the thought was always to have a Christian populace form a state, which would naturally accommodate our faith.
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:37 am
Kowani wrote:Joohan wrote:
Ive a lot of criticisms for liberalism - but yeah this is what I am currently on about. Liberalism's core concept of tolerance and moral subjectivity has led naturally to the current state of societal norms.
Topical quote given the above poll, " Tolerance is the virtue of the man without conviction " - G.K. Chesterton. Tolerance is not a virtue, nor should it be treated as such. Or, perhaps a more famous quote from Archbishop Charles Chaput,
" Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty; these are Christian virtues. "
Tolerance is what allows you to hold your religious beliefs in the first place.
by Kowani » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:43 am
Joohan wrote:Kowani wrote:Tolerance is what allows you to hold your religious beliefs in the first place.
No it's not, and it never has been. Christians have held onto their beliefs while being thrown to the lions in Rome, beheaded in Japan, butchered in Scandinavia, burned in China, lynched in Mexico, guillotined in France, and all other manner of persecution across the world.
Our faithI does not need tolerance in order to persevere.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:45 am
Kowani wrote:Joohan wrote:
No it's not, and it never has been. Christians have held onto their beliefs while being thrown to the lions in Rome, beheaded in Japan, butchered in Scandinavia, burned in China, lynched in Mexico, guillotined in France, and all other manner of persecution across the world.
Our faithI does not need tolerance in order to persevere.
I would like to point out that it’s much easier to track people’s faith now than it was back than. And than China and Japan really weren’t the greatest examples you could have given. But now? Oh, no. Tolerance is what allows the religion to survive, and not just from governmental or societal persecution.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:47 am
Kowani wrote:Joohan wrote:
No it's not, and it never has been. Christians have held onto their beliefs while being thrown to the lions in Rome, beheaded in Japan, butchered in Scandinavia, burned in China, lynched in Mexico, guillotined in France, and all other manner of persecution across the world.
Our faithI does not need tolerance in order to persevere.
I would like to point out that it’s much easier to track people’s faith now than it was back than. And than China and Japan really weren’t the greatest examples you could have given. But now? Oh, no. Tolerance is what allows the religion to survive, and not just from governmental or societal persecution.
by Kowani » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:56 am
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Kowani wrote:I would like to point out that it’s much easier to track people’s faith now than it was back than. And than China and Japan really weren’t the greatest examples you could have given. But now? Oh, no. Tolerance is what allows the religion to survive, and not just from governmental or societal persecution.
Over 2 billion people adhere to Christianity. It's doing more than surviving.
Actually, I meant the whole “we will persevere!” thing. ‘Cause that? Nah. Oh, sure, a handful of people. But that’s not so much anyone’s personal spiritual conviction as it was material limits.Joohan wrote:Kowani wrote:I would like to point out that it’s much easier to track people’s faith now than it was back than. And than China and Japan really weren’t the greatest examples you could have given. But now? Oh, no. Tolerance is what allows the religion to survive, and not just from governmental or societal persecution.
China was infamous for it's persecution of Christian missionaries throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, and Japan straight up banned missionaries for entering into the country ( not before executing a number of the missionaries and their converts ). They were pretty intolerant of Christians.
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:13 am
Kowani wrote:Cultural inertia, poverty, lack of education-in all the places where these things are on the decline, so too is Christianity.
Actually, I meant the whole “we will persevere!” thing. ‘Cause that? Nah. Oh, sure, a handful of people. But that’s not so much anyone’s personal spiritual conviction as it was material limits.Joohan wrote:
China was infamous for it's persecution of Christian missionaries throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, and Japan straight up banned missionaries for entering into the country ( not before executing a number of the missionaries and their converts ). They were pretty intolerant of Christians.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:31 am
Joohan wrote:North German Realm wrote:He's criticizing Liberalism specifically because it doesn't allow him to show his intolerance in public as much as he could have before liberalism. You'll notice this is a trend.
Ive a lot of criticisms for liberalism - but yeah this is what I am currently on about. Liberalism's core concept of tolerance and moral subjectivity has led naturally to the current state of societal norms.
Topical quote given the above poll, " Tolerance is the virtue of the man without conviction " - G.K. Chesterton. Tolerance is not a virtue, nor should it be treated as such. Or, perhaps a more famous quote from Archbishop Charles Chaput,
" Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty; these are Christian virtues. "
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:39 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Joohan wrote:
Ive a lot of criticisms for liberalism - but yeah this is what I am currently on about. Liberalism's core concept of tolerance and moral subjectivity has led naturally to the current state of societal norms.
Topical quote given the above poll, " Tolerance is the virtue of the man without conviction " - G.K. Chesterton. Tolerance is not a virtue, nor should it be treated as such. Or, perhaps a more famous quote from Archbishop Charles Chaput,
" Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Charity, justice, mercy, prudence, honesty; these are Christian virtues. "
Are you saying that someone who believes "live and let live” has no convictions?
Also, you do not want to force non believers to convert, yes? Why is that?
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:13 am
Joohan wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Are you saying that someone who believes "live and let live” has no convictions?
Also, you do not want to force non believers to convert, yes? Why is that?
Apathy isn't a conviction.
A forced convert, isn't really a convert. They haven't accepted Christ or the Spirit; without faith in the trinity, baptism and conversation are just empty and meaningless rituals - completely antithetical to what the point of being a missionary to begin with. We aren't looking to boost numbers on a paper, we are looking to save souls.
by Hanafuridake » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:17 am
Joohan wrote:Japan straight up banned missionaries for entering into the country ( not before executing a number of the missionaries and their converts ). They were pretty intolerant of Christians.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Napkizemlja » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:14 am
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:17 am
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:11 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Joohan wrote:
Apathy isn't a conviction.
A forced convert, isn't really a convert. They haven't accepted Christ or the Spirit; without faith in the trinity, baptism and conversation are just empty and meaningless rituals - completely antithetical to what the point of being a missionary to begin with. We aren't looking to boost numbers on a paper, we are looking to save souls.
Who said anything about apathy?
Would you "save souls" by force if you could?
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Joohan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:27 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Joohan wrote:
Apathy isn't a conviction.
A forced convert, isn't really a convert. They haven't accepted Christ or the Spirit; without faith in the trinity, baptism and conversation are just empty and meaningless rituals - completely antithetical to what the point of being a missionary to begin with. We aren't looking to boost numbers on a paper, we are looking to save souls.
Who said anything about apathy?
Would you "save souls" by force if you could?
by Communist Zombie Horde » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:29 am
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:33 am
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
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