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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Nationalist Teksas
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Postby Nationalist Teksas » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:31 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nationalist Teksas wrote:This s**t right here is how we got internment camps.


While we should not assume all Chinese students are PRC agents the fact the PRC is trying to infiltrate our education system and established PRC agencies in it cannot be denied.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Institute

We should absolutely ban these so called “Confucius Institutes”.
We should also give anyone convicted of espionage life in prison too.

I agree.
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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Old Tyrannia should be the next leader of the UK Conservative Party. Change my mind.

I would never be so cruel as to put OT in a position like that. What did OT ever do to you?


Yes, I disagree with him on some things obviously but I do not have anything against him personally. I would never subject him to such inhumane cruelty and torture.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Novus America wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I would never be so cruel as to put OT in a position like that. What did OT ever do to you?


Yes, I disagree with him on some things obviously but I do not have anything against him personally. I would never subject him to such inhumane cruelty and torture.

Well what if we dethroned the House of Windsor and crowned Old Tyrannia as King of Britain...

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:32 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes, I disagree with him on some things obviously but I do not have anything against him personally. I would never subject him to such inhumane cruelty and torture.

Well what if we dethroned the House of Windsor and crowned Old Tyrannia as King of Britain...

I can dig it, but I think we'll have to prove to OT he has some hidden ancestry in the House of Stuart before he'd agree. :p
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:36 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Yes, I disagree with him on some things obviously but I do not have anything against him personally. I would never subject him to such inhumane cruelty and torture.

Well what if we dethroned the House of Windsor and crowned Old Tyrannia as King of Britain...


OT would probably have you hanged, drawn, and quartered just for saying that.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:42 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Well what if we dethroned the House of Windsor and crowned Old Tyrannia as King of Britain...


OT would probably have you hanged, drawn, and quartered just for saying that.

Fine...I'll just do it myself...Doubtless, my reign will be both short and full of excitement

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:51 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
OT would probably have you hanged, drawn, and quartered just for saying that.

Fine...I'll just do it myself...Doubtless, my reign will be both short and full of excitement

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Christopher I, Emperor of the Anglo-Saxons, Scots, Welsh, and Irish,


If my hundreds of hours of Crusader Kings II has taught me anything, you'll be overthrown by another faction within a week of coming to power.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:59 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Fine...I'll just do it myself...Doubtless, my reign will be both short and full of excitement

Image

Christopher I, Emperor of the Anglo-Saxons, Scots, Welsh, and Irish,


If my hundreds of hours of Crusader Kings II has taught me anything, you'll be overthrown by another faction within a week of coming to power.

Probably.

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:59 pm

If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:Hot-take: We should give the Pacific Northwest to the Republic of China. Most of the white people around their are degenerate hippies anyway. They can receive citizenship once they have assimilated to superior Confucian values.


>tfw the ultra liberal gay Christian monarchist thinks other peoples views are degenerate

Big thonk, outside of Seattle and Portland most of the people around here are probably a lot more conservative than you.

Isn't Bienhalde an anti-liberal, communitarian, traditionalist monarchist? The liberal opinion he seems to have is gay marriage. And gay marriage is not degenerate, so there's no real hypocrisy there. And do you think the rural US is feudal Germany or something? I don't see how the rural US could be more conservative than Bienhalde.
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Nova Cyberia
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Napoleon wasn't a good monarchist?
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:23 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Does that then mean, that a good monarchist necessarily wants to surrender their say in politics?
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Napoleon wasn't a good monarchist?


He lead Republican troops in the French Revolution, supported Robespierre, and spread revolutionary ideas across Europe.

I adore him, but from a strict standard point of view, he wasn't.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Does that then mean, that a good monarchist necessarily wants to surrender their say in politics?


If you can't imagine a society without you at the head, it says a lot about a lack of integrity.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:30 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Does that then mean, that a good monarchist necessarily wants to surrender their say in politics?


I already don't have a say in politics. No individual has a say in politics.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:42 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:If you can't imagine a society without you at the head, it says a lot about a lack of integrity.

I agree, but if one doesn't want to allow voting, and one doesn't want to crown themselves as ruler, then how do they expect to have a say in politics?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Does that then mean, that a good monarchist necessarily wants to surrender their say in politics?


I already don't have a say in politics. No individual has a say in politics.

Can you vote? That's a say. An extremely small say, but a say nonetheless.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:44 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I already don't have a say in politics. No individual has a say in politics.

Can you vote? That's a say. An extremely small say, but a say nonetheless.


A completely insignificant say if you're not mainstream. And I'm not mainstream.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:55 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:If you can't imagine a society without you at the head, it says a lot about a lack of integrity.

I agree, but if one doesn't want to allow voting, and one doesn't want to crown themselves as ruler, then how do they expect to have a say in politics?


Parliament?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Can you vote? That's a say. An extremely small say, but a say nonetheless.


A completely insignificant say if you're not mainstream. And I'm not mainstream.

on its own yes, but when combined with millions of other voters, it's not insignificant at all.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:02 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:If you want to crown yourself monarch, you're not really a good monarchist.

Napoleon wasn't a good monarchist?

He was an excellent First Consul. =^)
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:06 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I agree, but if one doesn't want to allow voting, and one doesn't want to crown themselves as ruler, then how do they expect to have a say in politics?


Parliament?

I'd say it's a little selfish to aspire simultaeneously to become a member of parliament and to remove universal suffrage.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Parliament?

I'd say it's a little selfish to aspire simultaeneously to become a member of parliament and to remove universal suffrage.


Why are you equating not being head of state with being against universal suffrage?
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Parliament?

I'd say it's a little selfish to aspire simultaeneously to become a member of parliament and to remove universal suffrage.

Nah. One could sincerely believe limited suffrage to be for the good of the nation.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'd say it's a little selfish to aspire simultaeneously to become a member of parliament and to remove universal suffrage.

Nah. One could sincerely believe limited suffrage to be for the good of the nation.


This^
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:35 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
A completely insignificant say if you're not mainstream. And I'm not mainstream.

on its own yes, but when combined with millions of other voters, it's not insignificant at all.


Which means you have to stick with mainstream opinion.

Which, like I just said, I'm not mainstream.
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