Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Communist Zombie Horde]

It's rubbish because it says there are way more authoritarian lefties than libertarian righties. That's simply false. It's like if a climate graph tried to tell me that the average temperature has dropped 10 degrees centigrade in the last 5 years. I don't need evidence to disprove that.

It tells us that libertarianism is not very popular with Democrat voters.

Yeah, you'd probably need a comprehensive evidence to disprove that, because temperature change might differ by regions and your personal anecdote doesn't change that. I thought this is a pretty common ridiculed rhetoric among climate change skepticists. Like them, you're just denying reality.

(Personally, I'd be pretty surprised if this finding doesn't fit your experience anecdotally. A glance to this thread or even the Libertarian Discord chat is sufficient to demonstrate that, if your echo chamber outside internet is too narrow. You're thinking of Tankies, which is fewer than libertarians probably, consider conservatives who dislike free markets instead, of which there are moribund and indeed the "default" view of the median voter.)

It tells us, by the way, that Democratic voters are far less libertarian than its political elite.

Who do you consider the elite?

[Highever]

Jin Yuzhing, the current head of the clan of Qing emperors (hes a nephew of Puyi) has stated that he has no desire whatsoever to be a pretender to the throne nor does he even acknowledge it as a thing.

Fuck all that, I'm just surprised to see a Phi Sig here.

We dont even have a Delta Tau Chi chapter on my campus

[Bear Stearns]

Jin Yuzhing, the current head of the clan of Qing emperors (hes a nephew of Puyi) has stated that he has no desire whatsoever to be a pretender to the throne nor does he even acknowledge it as a thing.

Fuck all that, I'm just surprised to see a Phi Sig here.

SAE reporting in.

[Diopolis]

Could the trend of preferring more economically left Republicans and more socially moderate Democrats not just simply be voters preferring more moderate candidates and policies? Either way, I really question that graph's methodology.

"Moderate" here meaning something more authoritarian than the present governing centrism, sure.



It's a reality - libertarians cannot win with democracy. Otherwise a libertarian candidate would have defeated Trump. Who did? Even Clinton is a social democrat.

When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.

[Bear Stearns]

I find myself slowly assimilating into the void and talking increasingly like this at work:

I have a feeling someone might be doing some weekend work on this, so before we start this process, let's make sure not to put all of our eggs in one basket - if there are too many roosters in the henhouse and too many cooks in the kitchen, we will be letting the wolf into the chicken coop and this will be a hard nut to crack. At the end of the day - looking at the product from 15,000 feet - it's just a blackbox resting on a slippery slope. But from a bottom-up perspective - we're pretty smart guys and doing this from soup to nuts will leave us with bird in hand and create some serious value-added.

Provided we row downstream and don't spin our wheels - there's no need to be caught with our pants down.

Let's take a top-down approach - focus on core competencies, think outside the box, keep it apples-to-apples and bake in your assumptions, and spread, dig into, play with, juice, goose, vet, run, flesh out, go through with a fine-tooth comb, sanity check, scrub and flush the noise out of those numbers. I need you, right now, to sharpen your pencils, get cranking, take the lead, turn these comments, not tread water, bang this out, push it through, get it across the finish line and drop it on my chair. And before you send this to me, make sure to take a step back, get your arms around it, not miss the forest for the trees, and check under the hood - it better hold water. I'm not religious about this, but net-net I would guess there will be some layered switches, hockey sticks, sensitivities, color-coded sheets and zero gridlines. I know you want a rubberstamp - but there is a definite possibility that the Director will want to get his hands dirty - I want us to stay on top of the ball, keep our coach's whistle on, stay behind the wheel and keep ownership of the work.

After the heavy lifting, we just need to get the deliverables out the door and keep everything else under the kitchen sink - we'll figure out its highest and best use later. Keep in mind I am in no way wed to this analysis, but this is a two-horse race, and we can't afford to have our heads in the tent. There is no need to recreate the wheel here, but this will be a great learning experience. Let's discuss when you get in.

Basically, you're preaching to the choir here. To get a little more granular here before we press the print button, let's touch base now. (I'll be out of pocket later, so swing by while I'm on the ground.)

First of all, this is a good chance for you to step up. Right now, the two companies are feeling less than romantic, but remember, all girls talk. I think they'll eventually give up more than a girl on prom night - our job is to get them across the finish line. I want us to manage the process and keep the ball in our court. I appreciate that this may be a bit of a lick in the armpit, but I want us to work smart, not hard, and I don't want to recreate the wheel - this doesn't need to be gold-plated. Let's divide and conquer. You do the blocking and tackling and I'll socialize it with the board. I want us to run this to ground before we lob the missile over to the other side. My fear is that our client will land on a grenade or try to catch a falling piano. We don't want to open up the kimono too soon, or we may bleed to death by a 1000 cuts. Just so we're crystal, let's get on the same page - I don't want us to trip a mine. I'll focus on the care and feeding of the board and you bottom this out. For ease-of-motion and because all the moving parts, I will appoint you scribe. Just blackberry me if you need more guidance. I need to be on a plane now.

Before you sign off, let's not lose sight of the big picture. What's driving all of this is that we could put all the buyers in a Civic and still have spare seats. But, at the end of the day, it is what it is. We may have to kiss a lot of frogs to get there, but I think the other side has been leaving some breadcrumbs on the trail. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just to be sure were not drinking our own kool-aid, let's stress-test this, just for our own back-pocket. I want 100% of your bandwidth. If someone calls, put them on the box and I'll talk to them. With this kind of thing, the devil's in the details. In the meantime, you keep your head down and I'll keep my ears to the ground. I don't want us to get all hot and heavy yet. Let us bat this around internally and send it over to our scientists in the lab. We need to kick the tires, or else we may find ourselves sitting in neutral. I want to be efficient with the team's time and not spin our wheels - after all, we're all wearing several hats here. The companies are doing the lover's dance but we need to focus on putting this to bed. The industrial logic of this deal is sound, but the issue is the CFO is sitting in the CEO's lap, talking his book. We need some air cover here and if we don't get it, we're going to have to run an audible. For now, we should keep our cards close to our chest.

thx

[Diopolis]

I find myself slowly assimilating into the void and talking increasingly like this at work:

I have a feeling someone might be doing some weekend work on this, so before we start this process, let's make sure not to put all of our eggs in one basket - if there are too many roosters in the henhouse and too many cooks in the kitchen, we will be letting the wolf into the chicken coop and this will be a hard nut to crack. At the end of the day - looking at the product from 15,000 feet - it's just a blackbox resting on a slippery slope. But from a bottom-up perspective - we're pretty smart guys and doing this from soup to nuts will leave us with bird in hand and create some serious value-added.

Provided we row downstream and don't spin our wheels - there's no need to be caught with our pants down.

Let's take a top-down approach - focus on core competencies, think outside the box, keep it apples-to-apples and bake in your assumptions, and spread, dig into, play with, juice, goose, vet, run, flesh out, go through with a fine-tooth comb, sanity check, scrub and flush the noise out of those numbers. I need you, right now, to sharpen your pencils, get cranking, take the lead, turn these comments, not tread water, bang this out, push it through, get it across the finish line and drop it on my chair. And before you send this to me, make sure to take a step back, get your arms around it, not miss the forest for the trees, and check under the hood - it better hold water. I'm not religious about this, but net-net I would guess there will be some layered switches, hockey sticks, sensitivities, color-coded sheets and zero gridlines. I know you want a rubberstamp - but there is a definite possibility that the Director will want to get his hands dirty - I want us to stay on top of the ball, keep our coach's whistle on, stay behind the wheel and keep ownership of the work.

After the heavy lifting, we just need to get the deliverables out the door and keep everything else under the kitchen sink - we'll figure out its highest and best use later. Keep in mind I am in no way wed to this analysis, but this is a two-horse race, and we can't afford to have our heads in the tent. There is no need to recreate the wheel here, but this will be a great learning experience. Let's discuss when you get in.

Basically, you're preaching to the choir here. To get a little more granular here before we press the print button, let's touch base now. (I'll be out of pocket later, so swing by while I'm on the ground.)

First of all, this is a good chance for you to step up. Right now, the two companies are feeling less than romantic, but remember, all girls talk. I think they'll eventually give up more than a girl on prom night - our job is to get them across the finish line. I want us to manage the process and keep the ball in our court. I appreciate that this may be a bit of a lick in the armpit, but I want us to work smart, not hard, and I don't want to recreate the wheel - this doesn't need to be gold-plated. Let's divide and conquer. You do the blocking and tackling and I'll socialize it with the board. I want us to run this to ground before we lob the missile over to the other side. My fear is that our client will land on a grenade or try to catch a falling piano. We don't want to open up the kimono too soon, or we may bleed to death by a 1000 cuts. Just so we're crystal, let's get on the same page - I don't want us to trip a mine. I'll focus on the care and feeding of the board and you bottom this out. For ease-of-motion and because all the moving parts, I will appoint you scribe. Just blackberry me if you need more guidance. I need to be on a plane now.

Before you sign off, let's not lose sight of the big picture. What's driving all of this is that we could put all the buyers in a Civic and still have spare seats. But, at the end of the day, it is what it is. We may have to kiss a lot of frogs to get there, but I think the other side has been leaving some breadcrumbs on the trail. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just to be sure were not drinking our own kool-aid, let's stress-test this, just for our own back-pocket. I want 100% of your bandwidth. If someone calls, put them on the box and I'll talk to them. With this kind of thing, the devil's in the details. In the meantime, you keep your head down and I'll keep my ears to the ground. I don't want us to get all hot and heavy yet. Let us bat this around internally and send it over to our scientists in the lab. We need to kick the tires, or else we may find ourselves sitting in neutral. I want to be efficient with the team's time and not spin our wheels - after all, we're all wearing several hats here. The companies are doing the lover's dance but we need to focus on putting this to bed. The industrial logic of this deal is sound, but the issue is the CFO is sitting in the CEO's lap, talking his book. We need some air cover here and if we don't get it, we're going to have to run an audible. For now, we should keep our cards close to our chest.

thx

That was a bunch of cliches followed immediately by the opposite cliche.
I would recommend using some vacation time at a monastery or on a hunting trip- something where you can't be bothered from work.

[Darussalam]

When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.

Yeah, not really, Pinochet isn't really the poster child of 'American-style libertarianism'. That's an object level, basic bitch criticism of the ideology, somewhere around "libertarianism teaches people to ignore duties and responsibilities" or "muh Rapture lmao".

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"Moderate" here meaning something more authoritarian than the present governing centrism, sure.



It's a reality - libertarians cannot win with democracy. Otherwise a libertarian candidate would have defeated Trump. Who did? Even Clinton is a social democrat.

When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.

This is false. If you don't support democracy, you are not a libertarian. Simply as that.

[Bienenhalde]

When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet. Nevermind that Pinochet was rather inconsistent on being actually libertarian even on the economic issues where he imported libertarians from America to be advisors on.

This is false. If you don't support democracy, you are not a libertarian. Simply as that.

And what if the majority of the population democratically votes to restrict individual liberties?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is false. If you don't support democracy, you are not a libertarian. Simply as that.

And what if the majority of the population democratically votes to restrict individual liberties?

Well, there ought to be a constitution protecting our most basic rights, but if the populous decides to vote in a more statist manner, thems the brakes I guess.

[Kowani]

And what if the majority of the population democratically votes to restrict individual liberties?

Well, there ought to be a constitution protecting our most basic rights, but if the populous decides to vote in a more statist manner, thems the brakes I guess.

If the populace would vote to remove basic “rights”, then they could get in a constitutional amendment.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Well, there ought to be a constitution protecting our most basic rights, but if the populous decides to vote in a more statist manner, thems the brakes I guess.

If the populace would vote to remove basic “rights”, then they could get in a constitutional amendment.

Some rights shouldn't be repealed even through constitutional amendment, even then, it's unlikely that they would be repealed unless things changed A LOT.

[Kowani]

If the populace would vote to remove basic “rights”, then they could get in a constitutional amendment.

Some rights shouldn't be repealed even through constitutional amendment, even then, it's unlikely that they would be repealed unless things changed A LOT.

That’s the point I am making, that it is impossible to reconcile democracy with inalienable “rights.”

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Some rights shouldn't be repealed even through constitutional amendment, even then, it's unlikely that they would be repealed unless things changed A LOT.

That’s the point I am making, that it is impossible to reconcile democracy with inalienable “rights.”

It's impossible to reconcile absolute democracy with inalienable rights, but not impossible to reconcile a moderate democracy with inalienable rights. Get those quotations around rights outta here.

[North German Realm]

Some rights shouldn't be repealed even through constitutional amendment, even then, it's unlikely that they would be repealed unless things changed A LOT.

That’s the point I am making, that it is impossible to reconcile democracy with inalienable “rights.”

I'd personally put the quotation marks around inalienable, rather than rights.

[Slongs]

That’s the point I am making, that it is impossible to reconcile democracy with inalienable “rights.”

I'd personally put the quotation marks around inalienable, rather than rights.

Why not both?

[North German Realm]

I'd personally put the quotation marks around inalienable, rather than rights.

Why not both?

Because I don't disagree with the concept of human rights, but I do disagree that certain rights are 'inalienable' by their nature.

[Slongs]

Why not both?

Because I don't disagree with the concept of human rights, but I do disagree that certain rights are 'inalienable' by their nature.

Gives you some inalienable rights

[Aclion]

When you're pro-democratic ideology's poster child is an authoritarian dictatorship, you're probably not a realistically democratic ideology.
And that's what it is. Libertarianism- well, American style libertarianism- has as it's poster child Pinochet.[/i].

[citation needed]

[Totally Not OEP]

Fuck all that, I'm just surprised to see a Phi Sig here.

We dont even have a Delta Tau Chi chapter on my campus

Most schools don't lol; we're currently attempting to get a new charter because of....reasons. We already have Phi Sigs here, incidentally.

[Old Tyrannia]

American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.

[Highever]

We dont even have a Delta Tau Chi chapter on my campus

Most schools don't lol; we're currently attempting to get a new charter because of....reasons. We already have Phi Sigs here, incidentally.

Were not too widespread ourselves. The Sig Taus on my campus are actually in some sort of bizarre rebellion right now, I dont even know what's going on with them.

[New haven america]

American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.

They're not anti-social, they just prefer that their members socialize with a certain group of people.

Also, most of them are too boring to be immoral in the way they're shown in movies.

[Highever]

American college fraternities and sororities, from what I've read and seen, seem like bulwarks of immoral, degenerate and anti-social behaviour. I'm glad we don't have that particular tradition here in the UK, although the drinking societies at Oxford and Cambridge behave in more or less the same manner. Much good could be achieved if all current and last members of such institutions were banned from ever holding office.

I'd rather not be banned and refused certain things just because you've seen too many D-list fratbro movies, thanks.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I got sent this the other day and figured some here might find it to be an interesting read.

tl;dr it's written by a German NazBol in the 30's who sought to combine the nationalism and such things of the NSDAP with elements of the KPD's platform mixed in and create a national socialist state allied with but separate from the Soviets. Paetel (the author) is a very little known figure, in my experience at least, and tends to be overshadowed by Strasser so it's cool to have some of his writings in English.