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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 23, 2019 2:30 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I want Danzig to be a free city just because it sounds cool.

>not turning the entirety of Europe into free cities

If everyone is free cities, no one is.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 2:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:In an ideal world Poland would be a landlocked country and Russia would be exiled from the Baltics.

I want Danzig to be a free city just because it sounds cool.

Recipe for disaster, m8. The people in Danzig thoroughly resented being separated from Germany.

I mean, literally the only reason it was even made a free city was to give Poland access to its ports.
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Postby Novus America » Thu May 23, 2019 2:36 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:In an ideal world Poland would be a landlocked country and Russia would be exiled from the Baltics.


That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 2:38 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:In an ideal world Poland would be a landlocked country and Russia would be exiled from the Baltics.


That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Precisely.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 23, 2019 2:39 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Recipe for disaster, m8. The people in Danzig thoroughly resented being separated from Germany.

I mean, literally the only reason it was even made a free city was to give Poland access to its ports.

Who needs practical concerns when you can sound cool? I am sure that the people of Danzig will fight fiercely for their independence and not serve up their Polish compatriots on a Nazi platter the first opportunity they get!
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 2:41 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Recipe for disaster, m8. The people in Danzig thoroughly resented being separated from Germany.

I mean, literally the only reason it was even made a free city was to give Poland access to its ports.

Who needs practical concerns when you can sound cool? I am sure that the people of Danzig will fight fiercely for their independence and not serve up their Polish compatriots on a Nazi platter the first opportunity they get!

Well, most of the Germans in Danzig were ethnically cleansed by the Soviets so you don't need to worry about that anymore, m8t.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 23, 2019 2:41 pm

Novus America wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:In an ideal world Poland would be a landlocked country and Russia would be exiled from the Baltics.


That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 23, 2019 2:42 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?

As best I can remember, the plan for the territory obtained in Brest-Litovsk was for it to be broken up into Bantustans ruled by German princelings.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu May 23, 2019 2:43 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?

Keeping the pieces it had had since the partition, yes.

But the pieces it took from Russia were to be turned into a Polish puppet state.

Edit: since NS refuses to work with my link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Poland_(1917–1918)
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Postby Novus America » Thu May 23, 2019 2:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?


Yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom ... (1917-1918)
Obviously it they would not restore it to 1600s size, and the exact details uncertain, but it was the plan.
There would be one but the final borders not fully determined.
It is possible it would be united with the AH Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria to make a Austro Hungary Poland.

You have to copy the link because NS sucks with links.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu May 23, 2019 7:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?


Russian Poland was going to be made its own Kingdom (in fact, the German army in Poland posed as their liberators, kind of ironic considering what would happen later on in the century).
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 23, 2019 8:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If you start to sound like a superhero villain, you might have a bad ideology...

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Honestly I might be okay with this since his plan worked out in the end.

That said being a supervillain doesn't negate ones ability to be right especially in the case of the Justice Lords.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 23, 2019 8:43 pm

Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 23, 2019 9:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
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A thousand screams of separatist black Hebrew Israelites can be heard in the background.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 23, 2019 9:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
(Image)

I mean, we do pay for their defense and base our foreign policy around their strategic interests...
Are you sure it's "colony" and not "swing state".
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 23, 2019 9:12 pm

I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.

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Postby Novus America » Thu May 23, 2019 9:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
(Image)


Actually...
http://www.twostarsforpeace.net/
I am not sure if this is completely insane, or (almost) insane enough to actually have potential.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby North German Realm » Thu May 23, 2019 9:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Novus America wrote:
That was what would happen if the Central Powers won.

Would there be a Poland if the Central Powers won? I'm not well-versed on the subject, but wasn't the German Empire pretty keen on keeping its pieces of Poland?

If I recall correctly, they didn't mind creating Poland out of the Russian partition, though I don't think they had thought far enough to think "If we give Russian Poland independence, German Poles might want independence too"
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri May 24, 2019 3:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.


Amen.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri May 24, 2019 6:05 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.

No, Hezbollah. Let's really mix it up.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 24, 2019 6:09 am

Novus America wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
(Image)


Actually...
http://www.twostarsforpeace.net/
I am not sure if this is completely insane, or (almost) insane enough to actually have potential.


Ooh, I like this. Of course, all will become one with the United States in due time, and lasting order and harmony for all will be achieved.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 24, 2019 6:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.

I hope they send all their arms to Switzerland.
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Postby Epicurustan » Fri May 24, 2019 6:24 am

Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
(Image)

Do it reverse (ie USA being an Israeli colony) and then I'd agree that it's not fiction anymore.
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 7:02 am

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hope the next president sends arms to Hamas instead, just to mix it up.

No, Hezbollah. Let's really mix it up.


See I am not on the start nuclear wars for the lols train.
Yet.
Though sometimes I find myself hanging around the station... :?

I mean it is the most realistic proposal for Middle East peace... :twisted:
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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Postby Novus America » Fri May 24, 2019 7:03 am

Epicurustan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Found the superior Israel flag, they should embrace their true role as an American colony. :D
(Image)

Do it reverse (ie USA being an Israeli colony) and then I'd agree that it's not fiction anymore.


That meme is so over done.
If anything we are a PRC colony.
They are the ones who control our economic and trade policy.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. Pragmatism is my ideology.

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