It'd be a shitshow. Picture how bad Mississippi is, and then make it three times worse. That's what adding Mexico would be like.
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by Bear Stearns » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 am
by Novus America » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:No nation's a nation of immigrants anyway (except for the UAE, perhaps, but they suck). We're a nation of citizens.
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Colonial Dutch and Germans were minorities that were either subsumed into the larger Yankee nation or remained on the periphery, they never were the core.
The various British-descended people in the colonies had largely caste aside their European identities and simply saw themselves as Americans (or Yankees or Southerners or Appalachians, but still unequivocally American). This was something the Founding Fathers all recognized and even celebrated.
Protestants having their own internal disagreements doesn't discount that they were the core religion of the American nation when it began. Shit, one of the Intolerable Acts was the Quebec Act, which gave Catholics more rights. The Americans were pissed about this.
by Nea Byzantia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 am
by Nova Cyberia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
If you really think those things are so bad, we should have never annexed the southwest in the first place.
Those things barely existed in the Southwest at the time of annexation, so it wasn't really a problem. Most of Alta California except for coastal missions was wilderness or Indian country. And the places with a larger Hispanic population (Santa Fe and Texas) were demographically swamped by the waves of Americans moving West, so it was never really an issue at the time.
Stopping at the Rio Grande was smart however. Would've been worse if we kept going.
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:30 am
Fahran wrote:"Stand for something, even if it means committing severe human rights violations."
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:31 am
by Nea Byzantia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:31 am
by Nova Cyberia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:32 am
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:33 am
by Nova Cyberia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:34 am
by Nova Cyberia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:34 am
by Novus America » Wed May 22, 2019 11:35 am
Bear Stearns wrote:North German Realm wrote:So... the Native Americans? I mean, even that is stretching it.
No, not the Indian tribes. They were considered their own nations, not really part of the United States.
It's pretty stupid to tell a 10th generation white American to "go back" to Europe when his ethnic home is here.
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:36 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:
An inaccurate misnomer. Most of the people in America were born here, and are citizens.
by Diopolis » Wed May 22, 2019 11:36 am
by Bear Stearns » Wed May 22, 2019 11:38 am
by Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 11:38 am
Nea Byzantia wrote:I agree with the second item...
by Nova Cyberia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:39 am
by Novus America » Wed May 22, 2019 11:39 am
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:43 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Not really. The vast majority of black Americans are 6+ generations, and the majority of white Americans have at least some colonial ancestry.
At the very least, the country is still majority descended from people who's families have been here 4+ generations.
Pretty stupid to keep calling them immigrants. Also, it's a dumb national mythology. We have better ones.
by Bear Stearns » Wed May 22, 2019 11:43 am
Nova Cyberia wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Accuracy is for squares. National mythology is what's important. Most of the people in America can trace their roots to recent immigrant ancestors.
Telling people their true origin is somewhere else only serves to divide American society. Time for a better national myth.
by Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:45 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Really. What's the fun in idealizing America as full of strangers in a strange land rather than as an actual nation, culture, heritage, etc.?
It sounds schizophrenic. Where's the pride in being descended from lame foreigners? Far better national myths include colonial independence narratives and stories of Western conquest.
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