Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Bienenhalde]

Look, OEP. All I want is a Texas that combines the best of Anglo, Latin, Central European, and other relevant cultures together. We're the closest thing to a Seleucid Empire or Ptolemaic Empire in a millennia except we have tacos that are better than California's and, to be honest, as good as Mexico's. We're the best culture and must ascend to the heights of greatness.

What would you think about Texas being restored to the Mexican Empire?

[Nea Byzantia]

We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?

One can learn many things about a culture based on their culinary traditions. There are (to use the simplest example) a lot of noticable differences between people who eat an ox's leg whole with people who mince and/or dice it to the point of insanity, not all of them even related to the fact the two cultures can't have the same type of access to firewood.

[Painisia]

Many Traditionalists and those on the Right portray the Concert of Europe (1815-1848,1871-1914) as the last decade for their waif Royal Medieval Europe. I would argue that many elements of Old Europe survived WW2 and lasted into the Post-War Europe. Charles De Gaulle was the last ruler from the "Europe Ancien".

What followed him was a generation of Eurocrats who worked for the consolidation of the European Union and who wanted to throw the Old Nationalist Europe in history's garbage bin.

I believe that in the future (2020s to 2030s), Europe would again be teared apart by two berilligents: the Pro-European progressives and the "Europe Ancien"-nostalgic nationalists (The Identitarian Movement). The future would be exciting....

[Fahran]

What would you think about Texas being restored to the Mexican Empire?

I would rather eat every boot in my closet.

[Nea Byzantia]

Many Traditionalists and those on the Right portray the Concert of Europe (1815-1848,1871-1914) as the last decade for their waif Royal Medieval Europe. I would argue that many elements of Old Europe survived WW2 and lasted into the Post-War Europe. Charles De Gaulle was the last ruler from the "Europe Ancien".

What followed him was a generation of Eurocrats who worked for the consolidation of the European Union and who wanted to throw the Old Nationalist Europe in history's garbage bin.

I believe that in the future (2020s to 2030s), Europe would again be teared apart by two berilligents: the Pro-European progressives and the "Europe Ancien"-nostalgic nationalists (The Identitarian Movement). The future would be exciting....

I find this idea, intriguing. I could very much see this turning out as well...

[North German Realm]

Look, OEP. All I want is a Texas that combines the best of Anglo, Latin, Central European, and other relevant cultures together. We're the closest thing to a Seleucid Empire or Ptolemaic Empire in a millennia except we have tacos that are better than California's and, to be honest, as good as Mexico's. We're the best culture and must ascend to the heights of greatness.

What would you think about Texas being restored to the Mexican Empire?

Only if we give back the rest of the Mexican Cession along with it.

[Novus America]

What would you think about Texas being restored to the Mexican Empire?

Only if we give back the rest of the Mexican Cession along with it.

Why the hell would we do that?

Mexico can just unite with the US.

[Nea Byzantia]

Only if we give back the rest of the Mexican Cession along with it.

Why the hell would we do that?

Mexico can just unite with the US.

I highly doubt the Mexicans would go for that...

[Bienenhalde]

Only if we give back the rest of the Mexican Cession along with it.

Why the hell would we do that?

Mexico can just unite with the US.

No...they should remain independent. And restore the House of Iturbide!

[Novus America]

Why the hell would we do that?

Mexico can just unite with the US.

I highly doubt the Mexicans would go for that...

Well that is the only way they can reunite with there former territories and also get an open border with the US and all. But yes, at least for now most have decided that they would rather be poorer and all cause reasons and whatever. Hopefully we can convince them to see the light eventually.

[Nea Byzantia]

I highly doubt the Mexicans would go for that...

Well that is the only way they can reunite with there former territories and also get an open border with the US and all. But yes, at least for now most have decided that they would rather be poorer and all cause reasons and whatever. Hopefully we can convince them to see the light eventually.

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

[Conserative Morality]

Well that is the only way they can reunite with there former territories and also get an open border with the US and all. But yes, at least for now most have decided that they would rather be poorer and all cause reasons and whatever. Hopefully we can convince them to see the light eventually.

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

33% of Mexicans when polled said they would move to the US if they could.

So press X to doubt.

[Nea Byzantia]

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

33% of Mexicans when polled said they would move to the US if they could.

So press X to doubt.

33% is still a minority of the Mexican People...My point still stands.

[Novus America]

Well that is the only way they can reunite with there former territories and also get an open border with the US and all. But yes, at least for now most have decided that they would rather be poorer and all cause reasons and whatever. Hopefully we can convince them to see the light eventually.

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

The issue is the Texans can be proud to be Texan patriots AND American patriots.
They would still be Mexican. The US is a nation of nations.

[Nea Byzantia]

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

The issue is the Texans can be proud to be Texan patriots AND American patriots.
They would still be Mexican. The US is a nation of nations.

Rome also became a "Nation of Nations" - in other words, an Empire.

[Conserative Morality]

33% is still a minority of the Mexican People...My point still stands.

33% are the ones who would move if given the chance. As in, pull up their roots, abandon all that they know as familiar, and go to some entirely new region with new people and foreign standards. How many people of the remainder, do you think, would feel offended if the US government came to them instead? If it's less than 50%, we win.

[Novus America]

33% of Mexicans when polled said they would move to the US if they could.

So press X to doubt.

33% is still a minority of the Mexican People...My point still stands.

“57%) say that people who move from Mexico enjoy a better life in the U.S.”

Sure 33% is a minority but it is a great start.

We just need to convince 18% more, and those already believe the US is better.

[Nea Byzantia]

33% is still a minority of the Mexican People...My point still stands.

“57%) say that people who move from Mexico enjoy a better life in the U.S.”

Sure 33% is a minority but it is a great start.

We just need to convince 18% more, and those already believe the US is better.

Economically maybe...

[Novus America]

The issue is the Texans can be proud to be Texan patriots AND American patriots.
They would still be Mexican. The US is a nation of nations.

Rome also became a "Nation of Nations" - in other words, an Empire.

Well a voluntary nation of nations is usually not an Empire.
And your point would be? Was Rome not great at one time?

Why is a lover of Empire opposes to it?

[Bienenhalde]

Said reasons and whatever, are the same thing that cause you to love your Nation: Patriotism...They're as proud to be Mexican as you are to be American; and they'd rather be poor but Mexican, than rich, but American.

The issue is the Texans can be proud to be Texan patriots AND American patriots.
They would still be Mexican. The US is a nation of nations.

Mexico has considerable regional diversity and a federal system of government as well.

[Nea Byzantia]

Rome also became a "Nation of Nations" - in other words, an Empire.

Well a voluntary nation of nations is usually not an Empire.
And your point would be? Was Rome not great at one time?

Why is a lover of Empire opposes to it?

I'm not necessarily opposed to it. But America is not a Nation as it once was.

[Nea Byzantia]

The issue is the Texans can be proud to be Texan patriots AND American patriots.
They would still be Mexican. The US is a nation of nations.

Mexico has considerable regional diversity and a federal system of government as well.

But is it a "Nation of Nations"?

[Conserative Morality]

Well a voluntary nation of nations is usually not an Empire.
And your point would be? Was Rome not great at one time?

Why is a lover of Empire opposes to it?

I'm not necessarily opposed to it. But America is not a Nation as it once was.

America was never a 'nation' in that narrow old-world ethnonationalist sense.

[Novus America]

“57%) say that people who move from Mexico enjoy a better life in the U.S.”

Sure 33% is a minority but it is a great start.

We just need to convince 18% more, and those already believe the US is better.

Economically maybe...

One of the most important things really. If you cannot provide a good enough life for people you cannot keep them forever. Circuses alone are not adequate without bread.

We just need to assuage their other concerns, but for most people economic concerns are a really big deal

[Nea Byzantia]

I'm not necessarily opposed to it. But America is not a Nation as it once was.

America was never a 'nation' in that narrow old-world ethnonationalist sense.

True. So it was always a "Nation of Nations", it was always an Empire.