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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
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26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 22, 2019 7:19 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:(Image)

Why is Ireland south of Mexico on this map?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 am

Diopolis wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:(Image)

Why is Ireland south of Mexico on this map?

Germans are even worse at geography than Americans, I guess.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 7:24 am

Diopolis wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:(Image)

Why is Ireland south of Mexico on this map?


Not meant to be geographically accurate lol.

North German Realm wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:This bothers me from a geographical standpoint

I'm just not sure why Ireland is included in a propaganda poster so clearly ethnic based, to be honest. Then again, Germans weren't that opposed to Irish independence.


It's pretty interesting 19th Century German nationalists considered Irish and Finns Germanic, as well as seemed to support the U.S. annexing Mexico.

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Totally Not OEP wrote:(Image)

No.


You know, I'm not surprised our resident Jew is opposed to Saxon unity.
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Postby Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:You know, I'm not surprised our resident Jew is opposed to Saxon unity.

Saxon unity ceased to exist the moment cultures and languages began to drift. Besides, I'm not especially keen to give American culture over to the Brits or the Germans, even in part.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
North German Realm wrote:I'm just not sure why Ireland is included in a propaganda poster so clearly ethnic based, to be honest. Then again, Germans weren't that opposed to Irish independence.


It's pretty interesting 19th Century German nationalists considered Irish and Finns Germanic, as well as seemed to support the U.S. annexing Mexico.

I mean, I'm not very surprised about the Mexico thing, but I am surprised about the Irish and Finn thing. Was it the "place" (i.e. Ireland and Finland) that they saw Germanic or the people? (Because iirc, the German Empire wasn't that big a fan of the Baltic People either)
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Postby Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 7:35 am

North German Realm wrote:I mean, I'm not very surprised about the Mexico thing, but I am surprised about the Irish and Finn thing. Was it the "place" (i.e. Ireland and Finland) that they saw Germanic or the people? (Because iirc, the German Empire wasn't that big a fan of the Baltic People either)

Ireland was conquered and settled by numerous Scandinavians groups, especially the Danes, Norwegians, and Normans, and even began speaking English as the majority language by the 1700's or 1800's. Culturally, that's a pretty important development. With regard to Finland, I'd attribute that to the dominance of Sweden over the region. That said, I'm a bit surprised they didn't include more regions. Normandy and Sicily for instance.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 22, 2019 7:35 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Why is Ireland south of Mexico on this map?


Not meant to be geographically accurate lol.

North German Realm wrote:I'm just not sure why Ireland is included in a propaganda poster so clearly ethnic based, to be honest. Then again, Germans weren't that opposed to Irish independence.


It's pretty interesting 19th Century German nationalists considered Irish and Finns Germanic, as well as seemed to support the U.S. annexing Mexico.

Fahran wrote:No.


You know, I'm not surprised our resident Jew is opposed to Saxon unity.


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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 7:41 am

Fahran wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:You know, I'm not surprised our resident Jew is opposed to Saxon unity.

Saxon unity ceased to exist the moment cultures and languages began to drift. Besides, I'm not especially keen to give American culture over to the Brits or the Germans, even in part.


Uh huh, I'm on to your Semitic plot.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 7:43 am

North German Realm wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:

It's pretty interesting 19th Century German nationalists considered Irish and Finns Germanic, as well as seemed to support the U.S. annexing Mexico.

I mean, I'm not very surprised about the Mexico thing, but I am surprised about the Irish and Finn thing. Was it the "place" (i.e. Ireland and Finland) that they saw Germanic or the people? (Because iirc, the German Empire wasn't that big a fan of the Baltic People either)


Unknown, but it hurts this unity didn't come to pass.
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Postby Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Fahran wrote:Saxon unity ceased to exist the moment cultures and languages began to drift. Besides, I'm not especially keen to give American culture over to the Brits or the Germans, even in part.


Uh huh, I'm on to your Semitic plot.

Look, OEP. All I want is a Texas that combines the best of Anglo, Latin, Central European, and other relevant cultures together. We're the closest thing to a Seleucid Empire or Ptolemaic Empire in a millennia except we have tacos that are better than California's and, to be honest, as good as Mexico's. We're the best culture and must ascend to the heights of greatness.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 7:52 am

Fahran wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Uh huh, I'm on to your Semitic plot.

Look, OEP. All I want is a Texas that combines the best of Anglo, Latin, Central European, and other relevant cultures together. We're the closest thing to a Seleucid Empire or Ptolemaic Empire in a millennia except we have tacos that are better than California's and, to be honest, as good as Mexico's. We're the best culture and must ascend to the heights of greatness.


I am an Appalachian; we're North America's Kurds.
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Postby Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 7:56 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I am an Appalachian; we're North America's Kurds.

I keep forgetting that you and CM belong to the same oppressed regional group. :^)
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 am

Fahran wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:I am an Appalachian; we're North America's Kurds.

I keep forgetting that you and CM belong to the same oppressed regional group. :^)


He's not an Appalachian despite his pretensions.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 22, 2019 8:00 am

Fahran wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Uh huh, I'm on to your Semitic plot.

Look, OEP. All I want is a Texas that combines the best of Anglo, Latin, Central European, and other relevant cultures together. We're the closest thing to a Seleucid Empire or Ptolemaic Empire in a millennia except we have tacos that are better than California's and, to be honest, as good as Mexico's. We're the best culture and must ascend to the heights of greatness.

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Postby Fahran » Wed May 22, 2019 8:08 am

We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 8:09 am

Fahran wrote:We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?


Fried Chicken and Cornbread.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed May 22, 2019 8:12 am

Fahran wrote:We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?

One can learn many things about a culture based on their culinary traditions. There are (to use the simplest example) a lot of noticable differences between people who eat an ox's leg whole with people who mince and/or dice it to the point of insanity, not all of them even related to the fact the two cultures can't have the same type of access to firewood.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 8:16 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Fahran wrote:I keep forgetting that you and CM belong to the same oppressed regional group. :^)


He's not an Appalachian despite his pretensions.

Where is he from then?
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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 22, 2019 8:17 am

Fahran wrote:We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?

Yes. Gumbo and whole roasted hog(yes, other southerners do that... but they waste too much of it) for the Cajun side of me, pecan pie, enchiladas, and chili for the Texian side, and of course shiner bock beer.
Of course, there's also good Texas barbecue. So good that the people who cook it get offended if you put sauce on it.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 8:17 am

Fahran wrote:We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?

Bread, because it was a key player in the agricultural revolution, which birthed human civilization.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 8:31 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
He's not an Appalachian despite his pretensions.

Where is he from then?


Western Maryland
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Where is he from then?


Western Maryland

Isn't that part of Appalachia?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Western Maryland

Isn't that part of Appalachia?


Geographically yes, although not really culturally.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed May 22, 2019 8:52 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Isn't that part of Appalachia?


Geographically yes, although not really culturally.

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Fahran wrote:We've discussed a few facets of culture, nationalism, and the human experience on the RWDT, including subjects as scattered as music, art, history, language, and identity, but I thought it might be nice to broaden the field a bit by broaching a subject that normally isn't foremost in our minds - unless y'all are foodies like me. Do you believe that there are any particular dishes or cuisine that possess special significance to your nation, heritage, or to the more general human spirit?


The one dish that comes to mind is Pierogi, one of the few dishes from my Balto-Slavic heritage that I actually like to any significant degree.
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