Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Working in corporate America has taught me that things would be best if people like Mitt Romney and Donald Rumsfeld were in charge.

It makes sense. They'll bailout your company when it screws up, thus protecting it from its own failures and any type of accountability.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Wow, you went on quite the adventure.

Mine is Generic apolitical Christian -> fledgeling and somewhat apolitical liberal -> Centre-left moderate anti-SJW -> Anti authoritarian centre-left -> Emphatically libertarian centrist -> Right-wing libertarian -> Centre-right libertarian/general liberalism.

I'm a right-libertarian, but I think I'm starting to head towards the center on economics.

That's basically me tbh.

[Kowani]

Welcome aboard... Join the left...

Even if I do move out of the right-wing part of the spectrum, I'm very unlikely to join the left. I still strongly disagree with the left on many issues.

Well you’re no fun.

[Torrocca]

Welcome aboard... Join the left...

Even if I do move out of the right-wing part of the spectrum, I'm very unlikely to join the left. I still strongly disagree with the left on many issues.

Read the Bread Book, friendo. All belongs to all! :3

[Jack Thomas Lang]

140,000 was not nearly enough. Just because of the sheer size of the place.
Sure if the Reds massed all in one place for a set piece battle it
could beat them easily but they were not going to do that.

But yes infighting was a big problem. We were not sure who we were even supposed to be fighting for.

I don't think you quite understand Russian Civil War warfare. Only a strategic dunce, which the White Guard generally weren't, would try to cover the entirety of the Eastern Front with soldiers. Most of Siberia is impassable for large armies regardless. The general stratagem was to use professional and motivated troops as a spearhead, piercing enemy lines in order to capture large amounts of territory. Conscripts covered the flanks, guarded the supply lines and gave the army some expendable manpower when they weren't running.

140,000 professional soldiers is a lot for the kind of warfare fought between Reds and Whites. Especially considering they had artillery, professional officers and standardised gear.

[Novus America]

Wow, you went on quite the adventure.

Mine is Generic apolitical Christian -> fledgeling and somewhat apolitical liberal -> Centre-left moderate anti-SJW -> Anti authoritarian centre-left -> Emphatically libertarian centrist -> Right-wing libertarian -> Centre-right libertarian/general liberalism.

I'm a right-libertarian, but I think I'm starting to head towards the center on economics.

That happened to me too. I used to be a right libertarian on economics issues, except I never believed outsourcing to China was a good idea.
Though I was more socially right, though not extreme.
But I also had a favorable view of Islam.

Now I ascribe to a combination of the traditional American school and Nordic style social democratic economics. Center on social issues. Growing increasingly hostile towards Islam.
But I am and always have been an extremely pro military civic and cultural nationalist with expansionist tendencies.

My faith in democracy has also greatly decreased.

So fewer extreme changes than some, really a natural evolution once I realized being pro welfare and infrastructure did not mean being anti business. Once I realized the American economic dichotomy was BS.

[Novus America]

140,000 was not nearly enough. Just because of the sheer size of the place.
Sure if the Reds massed all in one place for a set piece battle it
could beat them easily but they were not going to do that.

But yes infighting was a big problem. We were not sure who we were even supposed to be fighting for.

I don't think you quite understand Russian Civil War warfare. Only a strategic dunce, which the White Guard generally weren't, would try to cover the entirety of the Eastern Front with soldiers. Most of Siberia is impassable for large armies regardless. The general stratagem was to use professional and motivated troops as a spearhead, piercing enemy lines in order to capture large amounts of territory. Conscripts covered the flanks, guarded the supply lines and gave the army some expendable manpower when they weren't running.

140,000 professional soldiers is a lot for the kind of warfare fought between Reds and Whites. Especially considering they had artillery, professional officers and standardised gear.

But guarding supply lines and an covering flanks would be very hard for a mere 140,000.
Most of whom were in the Far East.

Yes 140,000 professional troops in the right place could have made a big difference, if the whites had been united in organization and purpose.
But they were not, and the troops were always in the wrong place.
And logistics a nightmare.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Working in corporate America has taught me that things would be best if people like Mitt Romney and Donald Rumsfeld were in charge.

It makes sense. They'll bailout your company when it screws up, thus protecting it from its own failures and any type of accountability.

Say it with me now: T H I R D (or fourth, if you wanna be an Esoteric Duginist) P O S I T I O N

[Jack Thomas Lang]

But guarding supply lines and an covering flanks would be very hard for a mere 140,000.
Most of whom were in the Far East.

Yes 140,000 professional troops in the right place could have made a big difference, if the whites had been united in organization and purpose.
But they were not, and the troops were always in the wrong place.
And logistics a nightmare.

The Allies were able to guard the Trans-Siberian Railway with less. And we're talking about the East, since that's where most Intervention took place and needed it most.

You're half-right. The disunity between interventionists was worse though. By the time the interventionists arrived, most Siberian White forces were united under Kolchak, excluding Japanese-backed governments under Seymonov and Kalmykov. The problem was that each of the interventionists had different goals. The French and British wanted to help Kolchak, the Czechoslovaks shifted from defeating Bolshevism to evacuating Russia, the Japanese remained in the Amur region where the Americans stayed to keep an eye on the Japanese and do shit-all.

Logistics were always an issue in the Civil War, but they were worse for Denikin and he almost took Moscow.

[Bear Stearns]

It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.

Except they really did. The intervention was poorly coordinated and completely ineffectual.
The only way it could work would be a negotiated end to the war earlier, no collapse of Germany, and German support.

Of course we should not only blame the Entente. The Germans with their cartoonishly idiotic approach to diplomacy played a role as well of course.
Maybe if Germany had a better foreign minister, Zimmerman was a freaking idiot of the highest order.

Zimmerman almost started a war with Mexico lmao

[Bear Stearns]

But guarding supply lines and an covering flanks would be very hard for a mere 140,000.
Most of whom were in the Far East.

Yes 140,000 professional troops in the right place could have made a big difference, if the whites had been united in organization and purpose.
But they were not, and the troops were always in the wrong place.
And logistics a nightmare.

The Allies were able to guard the Trans-Siberian Railway with less. And we're talking about the East, since that's where most Intervention took place and needed it most.

You're half-right. The disunity between interventionists was worse though. By the time the interventionists arrived, most Siberian White forces were united under Kolchak, excluding Japanese-backed governments under Seymonov and Kalmykov. The problem was that each of the interventionists had different goals. The French and British wanted to help Kolchak, the Czechoslovaks shifted from defeating Bolshevism to evacuating Russia, the Japanese remained in the Amur region where the Americans stayed to keep an eye on the Japanese and do shit-all.

Logistics were always an issue in the Civil War, but they were worse for Denikin and he almost took Moscow.

To defeat the Bolsheviks, the Entente would've had to forgive Germany of all grievances and then present a united front for a literal conquest of the Russian Empire.

Was not going to happen.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

To defeat the Bolsheviks, the Entente would've had to forgive Germany of all grievances and then present a united front for a literal conquest of the Russian Empire.

Was not going to happen.

No, they didn't. Yudenich almost took Petrograd, and Denikin almost took Moscow. Yudenich was weakened by Pavel Bermondt-Avalov whereas Denikin was weakened by Bat'ko. If either offensive had greater support in the form of Allied troops on the ground, it's completely conceivable that they could have denied the Bolsheviks two major industrial, transport and population centers, while also striking a major blow to Bolshevik morale and legitimacy.

[Totally Not OEP]

It makes sense. They'll bailout your company when it screws up, thus protecting it from its own failures and any type of accountability.

Say it with me now: T H I R D (or fourth, if you wanna be an Esoteric Duginist) P O S I T I O N

We're Right Above It.....

[Old Tyrannia]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

[Slongs]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

What's even wrong with teaching Mozart in schools? If those people really want to be "inclusive" then why not make it so that both artists are taught in schools?

[Totally Not OEP]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

I feel really bad for all the Tommies who died in the Great War, given how their Great-Grandchildren spit on their heritage.

[Benuty]

It makes sense. They'll bailout your company when it screws up, thus protecting it from its own failures and any type of accountability.

Say it with me now: T H I R D (or fourth, if you wanna be an Esoteric Duginist) P O S I T I O N

I'd prefer to break the ideological spectrum with madness and introduce the sixth position.

[Napkizemlja]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

Agreed, they should be teaching Wiley, Kano, and definitely Dizzee Rascal's Boy in da Corner instead of fucking Stormzy.

[Benuty]

Even if I do move out of the right-wing part of the spectrum, I'm very unlikely to join the left. I still strongly disagree with the left on many issues.

Well you’re no fun.

Perhaps it's for the best since fun is dangerous.

[Mostrov]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

Cheer up, it will be alright, soon most of the people in the education system won't be western anyway (33% being minorities as of 2018).

[Slongs]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

Cheer up, it will be alright, soon most of the people in the education system won't be western anyway (33% being minorities as of 2018).

That's what they want you to think.

[Conserative Morality]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

Stormzy's one of your's, m8.

[Conserative Morality]

The left continues its war against European civilisation.

Cheer up, it will be alright, soon most of the people in the education system won't be western anyway (33% being minorities as of 2018).

>> minorities aren't Westerners

Not even trying to hide your racism, I see.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

>> minorities aren't Westerners

Not even trying to hide your racism, I see.

To be a Westerner, one must invariably be a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Anything else is barbaric and stinks of popery.

[Conserative Morality]

To be a Westerner, one must invariably be a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Anything else is barbaric and stinks of popery.

Daily reminder that Mozart was a dangerous Papist subversive!