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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
76
25%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
31
10%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
32
11%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
103
34%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
13
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
47
16%
 
Total votes : 302

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sun May 19, 2019 5:49 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
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Funny, that, but I don't recall ever saying he was involved in Barbarossa.

You said he knew of Hitler's plans for Lebensraum in Russia. I don't see how Hess would know that unless he was involved in planning Operation Barbarossa or Generalplan Ost, which he wasn't.


Again, you're insinuating that a close friend, confidant, and absolute devotee of Hitler from Hitler's own inner circle wouldn't know this shit. Even if we somehow ignore all the speeches, propaganda, etc. being espoused about the "sub-human" Slavs in Eastern Europe, that alone's fucking enough to assume with confidence that Hess knew about that shit.


>"You haven't offered any proof"

Lmao.

You haven't. Your evidence debunks itself, as I've showed.


You haven't shown jack shit except some empty words meant to satiate your own desire to write up apologia for a fucking Nazi lmao

And now you're resorting to childish whining because you have nothing else.


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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun May 19, 2019 6:00 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:
You said he knew of Hitler's plans for Lebensraum in Russia. I don't see how Hess would know that unless he was involved in planning Operation Barbarossa or Generalplan Ost, which he wasn't.


Again, you're insinuating that a close friend, confidant, and absolute devotee of Hitler from Hitler's own inner circle wouldn't know this shit. Even if we somehow ignore all the speeches, propaganda, etc. being espoused about the "sub-human" Slavs in Eastern Europe, that alone's fucking enough to assume with confidence that Hess knew about that shit.

Hitler sidelined Hess and supplanted him with Bormann. I think you're overstating just how close he and Hitler were.

You haven't. Your evidence debunks itself, as I've showed.


You haven't shown jack shit except some empty words meant to satiate your own desire to write up apologia for a fucking Nazi lmao

Fam, you've been pulling shit out of your ass and fabricating facts this entire debate.

And now you're resorting to childish whining because you have nothing else.


lol

That's about all you have, tbh. Sad, but expected.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun May 19, 2019 6:29 pm

Nobody:

MacArthur: Give me 50 nukes so I can destroy the fucking border between Korea and China.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm

Anyone else think that the WW1 era Imperial German War Flag is fucking gorgeous?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:Anyone else think that the WW1 era Imperial German War Flag is fucking gorgeous?

Honestly kinda cluttered imo
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Nobody:

MacArthur: Give me 50 nukes so I can destroy the fucking border between Korea and China.


50 weapons probably would've been sufficient to knock out the PRC as a whole lol.

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 6:54 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Anyone else think that the WW1 era Imperial German War Flag is fucking gorgeous?

Honestly kinda cluttered imo

Compared to some of the flags here?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun May 19, 2019 6:55 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Nobody:

MacArthur: Give me 50 nukes so I can destroy the fucking border between Korea and China.


50 weapons probably would've been sufficient to knock out the PRC as a whole lol.

Yeah, but nuking the shit out of China probably would have caused WW3

So just the border, obviously
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 19, 2019 6:59 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
50 weapons probably would've been sufficient to knock out the PRC as a whole lol.

Yeah, but nuking the shit out of China probably would have caused WW3

So just the border, obviously


Given the U.S. has Strategic Air Command and the Soviets didn't...no, Stalin wasn't that stupid.

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Postby Telconi » Sun May 19, 2019 7:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Honestly kinda cluttered imo

Compared to some of the flags here?


Well there weren't weebs in Imperial Germany, so the chances of anime characters are much higher here.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun May 19, 2019 7:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Compared to some of the flags here?


Well there weren't weebs in Imperial Germany, so the chances of anime characters are much higher here.


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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm

Genivaria wrote:Anyone else think that the WW1 era Imperial German War Flag is fucking gorgeous?


Ooh, this relates to one of my hobbies! Yay!

Anyway, the flag is a touch too ornate, I suppose. The main flaw is the eagle, which should be simplified somewhat. Perhaps this could be a project of mine; to reduce the disheartening "clutter" in what is otherwise one of the better flags out there?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:39 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Anyone else think that the WW1 era Imperial German War Flag is fucking gorgeous?

Honestly kinda cluttered imo

Cluttered, yes, but I do like it. I prefer their standard flag, though. Much simpler.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun May 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Honestly kinda cluttered imo

Cluttered, yes, but I do like it. I prefer their standard flag, though. Much simpler.


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Postby Genivaria » Sun May 19, 2019 10:18 pm

I simply like the style of it tbh, it's unique.
Here's a couple possible American flags used with the German style.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 20, 2019 12:03 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Posts like this convince me that maybe CM has a point, at least in regard to the failure to take punitive measures so that secessionist ideas would never have arisen in the South again.


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Considering that V was trying to destroy a white supremacist state in that book, not sure that's a comparison you want to make.
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Postby Asherahan » Mon May 20, 2019 12:40 am

Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Fuck no it was absolutely correct at least regarding Austria Hungary we should have done the same for Germany in WW2.


Austria Hungary was a victim of Serbian unconventional warfare.
Austria Hungary was fully justified in going to war. Serbia was the most guilty party by far.

And as much as Germany’s pro Russia stance annoys me at times, they are not particularly dangerous.
So why? To stop what? The militarily weak and virtually defenseless (besides NATO) Germany we have today?

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 12:43 am

Genivaria wrote:I simply like the style of it tbh, it's unique.
Here's a couple possible American flags used with the German style.


If you started waving those flags, blue checkmarks would be all over you screaming "It's the same pattern as the Nazi flag." At least, if the Kekistani debacle is anything to go by.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon May 20, 2019 6:39 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I simply like the style of it tbh, it's unique.
Here's a couple possible American flags used with the German style.


If you started waving those flags, blue checkmarks would be all over you screaming "It's the same pattern as the Nazi flag." At least, if the Kekistani debacle is anything to go by.


We need to radicalize the military and, once that is done, conduct a campaign of mass arrests.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 6:45 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If you started waving those flags, blue checkmarks would be all over you screaming "It's the same pattern as the Nazi flag." At least, if the Kekistani debacle is anything to go by.


We need to radicalize the military and, once that is done, conduct a campaign of mass arrests.

That went from 0 to 100 in an instant.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon May 20, 2019 6:51 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
We need to radicalize the military and, once that is done, conduct a campaign of mass arrests.

That went from 0 to 100 in an instant.


You should see my Spotify playlist.

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Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That went from 0 to 100 in an instant.


You should see my Spotify playlist.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 7:03 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That went from 0 to 100 in an instant.


You should see my Spotify playlist.

I'm guessing it's not minecraft parodies and 80s to 00s pop.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon May 20, 2019 7:11 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
You should see my Spotify playlist.

I'm guessing it's not minecraft parodies and 80s to 00s pop.


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 7:16 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm guessing it's not minecraft parodies and 80s to 00s pop.


I <3 My Choppa

Are you threatening me? :eyebrow:
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