Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[The South Falls]

Internment camps... yea. Racism... yea. I think I should have thought before saying that.

Failed economic policies that literally caused a recession during the depression, taking a shredder to the constitution and bill of rights, using the outbreak of WW2 to immediately go after and imprison his critics and political opponents, willfully and purposefully throwing out established precedent for his office, bullying the judicial system to uphold unconstitutional ideas etc etc. He did a whole lot more wrong than just internment.

1. Alright I concede that one.
2. There was no established precedent. There was nothing to shred.
3. Where?
4. Where?

Excuse my ignorance then, I've never once heard of 3 and 4.

[Kowani]

Failed economic policies that literally caused a recession during the depression, taking a shredder to the constitution and bill of rights, using the outbreak of WW2 to immediately go after and imprison his critics and political opponents, willfully and purposefully throwing out established precedent for his office, bullying the judicial system to uphold unconstitutional ideas etc etc. He did a whole lot more wrong than just internment.

1. Alright I concede that one.
2. There was no established precedent. There was nothing to shred.
3. Where?
4. Where?

Excuse my ignorance then, I've never once heard of 3 and 4.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicia ... ll_of_1937

[Nova Cyberia]

Internment camps... yea. Racism... yea. I think I should have thought before saying that.

Failed economic policies that literally caused a recession during the depression, taking a shredder to the constitution and bill of rights, using the outbreak of WW2 to immediately go after and imprison his critics and political opponents, willfully and purposefully throwing out established precedent for his office, bullying the judicial system to uphold unconstitutional ideas etc etc. He did a whole lot more wrong than just internment.

Yeah, this is why I don't really care much for FDR aside from his wartime leadership. He was the closest the US ever came to a dictatorship.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Failed economic policies that literally caused a recession during the depression, taking a shredder to the constitution and bill of rights, using the outbreak of WW2 to immediately go after and imprison his critics and political opponents, willfully and purposefully throwing out established precedent for his office, bullying the judicial system to uphold unconstitutional ideas etc etc. He did a whole lot more wrong than just internment.

1. Alright I concede that one.
2. There was no established precedent. There was nothing to shred.
3. Where?
4. Where?

Excuse my ignorance then, I've never once heard of 3 and 4.

You're gonna have to actually edit my post and number the points you want a response to lol

[The South Falls]

1. Alright I concede that one.
2. There was no established precedent. There was nothing to shred.
3. Where?
4. Where?

Excuse my ignorance then, I've never once heard of 3 and 4.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicia ... ll_of_1937

Alright, yea I concede that one as well.

1. Alright I concede that one.
2. There was no established precedent. There was nothing to shred.
3. Where?
4. Where?

Excuse my ignorance then, I've never once heard of 3 and 4.

You're gonna have to actually edit my post and number the points you want a response to lol

[The South Falls]

I wouldn't say FDR was the closest we came to dictatorship. That would probably go to, again, Jackson. He straight ignored multiple supreme court decisions, including Worcester v Georgia, for his own benefit.

[Camelone]

Ideologically he was garbage.

He was a good wartime president. That much can't be denied, and I have a lasting respect for him for that reason. But he had too many failings in my eyes.

Good thing ideology's don't matter much when politics gets practical.

I was talking about philosophy and theology not the material sciences which while noble in discovering the workings of the creation of God are not in need of any logical razors except for Occam’s.

That wasn’t my point at all, my point was that it doesn’t take into account what evidence is within the philosophical, and by extension theological, fields.

Again my point stands, the reason is that science doesn't care about that which is not empirical by scientific objective standards. A scientist who respond with ''yeah no'' is completely logical.

I’m not talking about science here, I could have sworn I made that clear by constantly talking about philosophy and theology. Not all knowledge stems from the sciences.

[The South Falls]

Also shit I forgot the replier can't see the third post. Just quote it please and look.

[Kowani]

Good thing ideology's don't matter much when politics gets practical.


Again my point stands, the reason is that science doesn't care about that which is not empirical by scientific objective standards. A scientist who respond with ''yeah no'' is completely logical.

I’m not talking about science here, I could have sworn I made that clear by constantly talking about philosophy and theology. Not all knowledge stems from the sciences.

Unprovable knowledge is logically unsound, and as such, cannot be used to build a valid system.

[Camelone]

Oh speaking of Jackson I’m curious of RWDT’s opinion about the US Supreme Court. Does the Supreme Court constitutionally have the right to judicial review or is it an illegally assumed power of the courts?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also shit I forgot the replier can't see the third post. Just quote it please and look.

Using the IRS to attack opponents

Kowani already posted a handy dandy link for the judicial stuff, needless to say FDR used that to massively and unconstitutionally expand his administrations power.

See the Smith Act of 1940 for him imprisoning political opponents. Despite the fact that it was supposedly passed only to apply to people who called for the violent overthrowing of the United State government in reality it was used to go after anyone opposed to FDR or the war effort and culminated in the Sedition Trial of 1944.

He also threw out the two term precedent that later had to be enshrined in the constitution specifically because of people like FDR.

[Camelone]

I’m not talking about science here, I could have sworn I made that clear by constantly talking about philosophy and theology. Not all knowledge stems from the sciences.

Unprovable knowledge is logically unsound, and as such, cannot be used to build a valid system.

So everything should be based upon the findings of scientists and researchers? What do you believe in, if I remember correctly you said you are a nihilist correct?

[Nova Cyberia]

Nuremburg was a kangaroo court, tbh.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nuremburg was a kangaroo court, tbh.

Potentially unpopular opinion but from a legal standpoint I 110% agree with this claim. Even the Chief Justice of the US openly called it a sham.

[Kowani]

Oh speaking of Jackson I’m curious of RWDT’s opinion about the US Supreme Court. Does the Supreme Court constitutionally have the right to judicial review or is it an illegally assumed power of the courts?

It’s not explicitly written in, but it seems to have been extrapolated from somewhat. I’m not a legal scholar, so…

Unprovable knowledge is logically unsound, and as such, cannot be used to build a valid system.

So everything should be based upon the findings of scientists and researchers? What do you believe in, if I remember correctly you said you are a nihilist correct?

I am a nihilist. But. Knowledge should be based on what is provable, not ideology. Because morality is unprovable, it cannot exist in any valid sense.

[Nova Cyberia]

Nuremburg was a kangaroo court, tbh.

Potentially unpopular opinion but from a legal standpoint I 110% agree with this claim. Even the Chief Justice of the US openly called it a sham.

When someone like Rudolf Hess who actually went to the UK to try to make peace with the British after WW2 begun can get handed down a life sentence then it's obvious it was a sham.

[Torrocca]

Potentially unpopular opinion but from a legal standpoint I 110% agree with this claim. Even the Chief Justice of the US openly called it a sham.

When someone like Rudolf Hess who actually went to the UK to try to make peace with the British after WW2 begun can get handed down a life sentence then it's obvious it was a sham.

Rudolf Hess deserved it tbh, considering he knowingly went there in order to get the British off Nazi Germany's back so they could continue their genocidal activities entirely unhindered.

The rest of the Nazis should've gotten similar or worse.

[Camelone]

Oh speaking of Jackson I’m curious of RWDT’s opinion about the US Supreme Court. Does the Supreme Court constitutionally have the right to judicial review or is it an illegally assumed power of the courts?

It’s not explicitly written in, but it seems to have been extrapolated from somewhat. I’m not a legal scholar, so…

So everything should be based upon the findings of scientists and researchers? What do you believe in, if I remember correctly you said you are a nihilist correct?

I am a nihilist. But. Knowledge should be based on what is provable, not ideology. Because morality is unprovable, it cannot exist in any valid sense.

From what I’ve gathered the judicial doctrine of judicial review came about from the Supreme Court case Marbury v Madison but I’ve always found the logic a little shaky constitutionally.

So there is no way to attain the good life, only maximize our own personal pleasure? Nihilism has always felt to me the philosophy of throwing your hands up and saying I give up in the pursuit of truth. The entire pursuit is about struggling, reflection, challenging, and expanding ones ability to find what it means to attain the good life and the means to order society in a way to promote the good life.

[Nova Cyberia]

When someone like Rudolf Hess who actually went to the UK to try to make peace with the British after WW2 begun can get handed down a life sentence then it's obvious it was a sham.

Rudolf Hess deserved it tbh, considering he knowingly went there in order to get the British off Nazi Germany's back so they could continue their genocidal activities entirely unhindered.

The rest of the Nazis should've gotten similar or worse.

He was convicted of crimes against peace. Crimes against peace... for attempting to negotiate peace?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I actually don't think Hess deserved the treatment he got. He was rendered powerless long before the Nazis got up to any serious shit so to hold him accountable for it feels like a real miscarriage of justice, especially when actual monsters like Speer got away with it.

[Nova Cyberia]

I actually don't think Hess deserved the treatment he got. He was rendered powerless long before the Nazis got up to any serious shit so to hold him accountable for it feels like a real miscarriage of justice, especially when actual monsters like Speer got away with it.

Speer was a monster?

Generally don't know much about him aside from his writings, tbh.

[Kowani]

It’s not explicitly written in, but it seems to have been extrapolated from somewhat. I’m not a legal scholar, so…


I am a nihilist. But. Knowledge should be based on what is provable, not ideology. Because morality is unprovable, it cannot exist in any valid sense.

From what I’ve gathered the judicial doctrine of judicial review came about from the Supreme Court case Marbury v Madison but I’ve always found the logic a little shaky constitutionally.

Well, yeah. I just have no idea how they got there. My knowledge of US Law is quite limited.

So there is no way to attain the good life, only maximize our own personal pleasure? Nihilism has always felt to me the philosophy of throwing your hands up and saying I give up in the pursuit of truth. The entire pursuit is about struggling, reflection, challenging, and expanding ones ability to find what it means to attain the good life and the means to order society in a way to promote the good life.

I will quote my response to a TG asking me about my nihilism.
I suppose the thing is that I don’t see nihilism as opposed to optimism. Yeah, on the cosmic scale, nothing we do matters. We die, our descendants’ll die, the sun’ll die, and the universe will eventually become uninhabitable. But we don’t experience things on the cosmic scale, we experience them on the lifetime scale. Our experiences, because of the fact that we can experience them, have inherent value to us. Life is not inherently suffering and pain, it is just life. What you choose to take away from those experiences is up to you. You have one life, one attempt. So, why not make it as enjoyable as possible?

(No longer quoting)
Nihilism is not the search for truth, but rather, the realization and acceptance of that truth, that what we do is not relevant in the long term, but that does not mean that it is meaningless. The good life is the one you live, no more, no less.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I actually don't think Hess deserved the treatment he got. He was rendered powerless long before the Nazis got up to any serious shit so to hold him accountable for it feels like a real miscarriage of justice, especially when actual monsters like Speer got away with it.

Speer was a monster?

Generally don't know much about him aside from his writings, tbh.

Oh absolutely, arguably one of the worst figures in the Third Reich imo. Despite his claims of not knowing about the Holocaust he personally wrote off the planned upgrades that turned Auschwitz from a concentration camp into a death camp, he was happy to willfully enslave vast numbers of people and work them to death for the war effort, at least on one occasion he personally complained to Himmler that the conditions at Mauthausen camp were too humane etc etc. It's a joke that he was let go.

[Torrocca]

Rudolf Hess deserved it tbh, considering he knowingly went there in order to get the British off Nazi Germany's back so they could continue their genocidal activities entirely unhindered.

The rest of the Nazis should've gotten similar or worse.

He was convicted of crimes against peace. Crimes against peace... for attempting to negotiate peace?

For attempting to further Nazi Germany's goals of genocide by attempting to get the British out of the war.

[North German Realm]

Rudolf Hess deserved it tbh, considering he knowingly went there in order to get the British off Nazi Germany's back so they could continue their genocidal activities entirely unhindered.

The rest of the Nazis should've gotten similar or worse.

He was convicted of crimes against peace. Crimes against peace... for attempting to negotiate peace?

Considering he was specifically trying to get the UK off Germany's back so the Germans could focus on what was going to be a war of exterminations? Yes.