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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
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26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat May 18, 2019 11:51 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:So American slavers get the bullet, but not Nazis? Make up your bloody mind.

tbf I usually differ on my preferred treatment of slavers and Nazis too.

Nazis get the noose.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat May 18, 2019 11:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:So American slavers get the bullet, but not Nazis? Make up your bloody mind.

tbf I usually differ on my preferred treatment of slavers and Nazis too.

Nazis get the noose.


Nuremberg really didn't go far enough with the Nazis to be quite honest.
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Postby Asherahan » Sat May 18, 2019 11:56 pm

The entirety of the Nazi German Administration should have been purged even if they were innocent of any crimes.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun May 19, 2019 12:06 am

Asherahan wrote:The entirety of the Nazi German Administration should have been purged even if they were innocent of any crimes.


Barring the very, very seldom few who were in the Nazi Party but actually saved the lives of the people the Nazis were busy trying to murder, of course. They were good people in a ruthlessly shitty situation.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 12:07 am

Asherahan wrote:The entirety of the Nazi German Administration should have been purged even if they were innocent of any crimes.

Purged how?
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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 12:16 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:The entirety of the Nazi German Administration should have been purged even if they were innocent of any crimes.

Purged how?

Whichever way was more convenient. Hang? Shot? Chemically Neutered and left to die in peace?

Torrocca wrote:
Asherahan wrote:The entirety of the Nazi German Administration should have been purged even if they were innocent of any crimes.


Barring the very, very seldom few who were in the Nazi Party but actually saved the lives of the people the Nazis were busy trying to murder, of course. They were good people in a ruthlessly shitty situation.

Of course there should some due process but 100% sure that the entirety of the administration should have been purged.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 12:19 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Purged how?

Whichever way was more convenient. Hang? Shot? Chemically Neutered and left to die in peace?

Torrocca wrote:
Barring the very, very seldom few who were in the Nazi Party but actually saved the lives of the people the Nazis were busy trying to murder, of course. They were good people in a ruthlessly shitty situation.

Of course there should some due process but 100% sure that the entirety of the administration should have been purged.

So being in the Nazi Party should be a capital crime?
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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 12:20 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Whichever way was more convenient. Hang? Shot? Chemically Neutered and left to die in peace?


Of course there should some due process but 100% sure that the entirety of the administration should have been purged.

So being in the Nazi Party should be a capital crime?

If you were a member of the Nazi Party of Nazi Germany then yes. If you mean about other nazi parties then there are other way to deal with such people.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 12:21 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Purged how?

Whichever way was more convenient. Hang? Shot? Chemically Neutered and left to die in peace?

Torrocca wrote:
Barring the very, very seldom few who were in the Nazi Party but actually saved the lives of the people the Nazis were busy trying to murder, of course. They were good people in a ruthlessly shitty situation.

Of course there should some due process but 100% sure that the entirety of the administration should have been purged.


No. They should've been barred from positions of power and influence, but treating them that way is wrong. Vindictiveness is not the way.

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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 12:22 am

Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Whichever way was more convenient. Hang? Shot? Chemically Neutered and left to die in peace?


Of course there should some due process but 100% sure that the entirety of the administration should have been purged.


No. They should've been barred from positions of power and influence, but treating them that way is wrong. Vindictiveness is not the way.

Tell that to the millions that died from the Regime said administration propped up.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 12:29 am

Asherahan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
No. They should've been barred from positions of power and influence, but treating them that way is wrong. Vindictiveness is not the way.

Tell that to the millions that died from the Regime said administration propped up.


I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 12:31 am

Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Tell that to the millions that died from the Regime said administration propped up.


I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

Your running the risk of leaving a big enough percentage of the population of already bad people to fester in anger! Your idea is even worse than my idea of manning up and purging them.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 12:31 am

Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Tell that to the millions that died from the Regime said administration propped up.


I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

Those within the Nazi Party who did not kill directly were worse than mere enablers, for they helped prop up the system that did kill. I would not be opposed to their deaths, as well.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 19, 2019 12:32 am

Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Tell that to the millions that died from the Regime said administration propped up.


I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

Nothing so harsh. They were merely supporting, materially and morally, the murder of millions.
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Postby Duhon » Sun May 19, 2019 1:09 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

Nothing so harsh. They were merely supporting, materially and morally, the murder of millions.


Virtually all of Germany was antisemitic between the wars and long after. Eight and a half million Germans were members of the Nazi Party by 1945. Do away with so many? That's insane, on any level. There simply was, and should be, no matching one form of monomania with another.

In the end, practicality prevailed and an entire generation died largely natural deaths, while succeeding generations grew up in horror of what their forebears had done.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 1:17 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I will tell them the same thing. Membership to the party that started the Holocaust and laid nearly all of Europe to waste and half a century of dislocation should have and did indeed merit penalties, but if they in fact did not kill or direct others to kill? Fines, jail time, relentless mockery, but nothing so harsh.

Nothing so harsh. They were merely supporting, materially and morally, the murder of millions.

Which is not a capital crime.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun May 19, 2019 1:20 am

When did RWDT turn into Baby Stalin's Purge Emporium?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 1:25 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:When did RWDT turn into Baby Stalin's Purge Emporium?

Even the RWDT hates Nazis!
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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 1:26 am

Duhon wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Nothing so harsh. They were merely supporting, materially and morally, the murder of millions.


Virtually all of Germany was antisemitic between the wars and long after. Eight and a half million Germans were members of the Nazi Party by 1945. Do away with so many? That's insane, on any level. There simply was, and should be, no matching one form of monomania with another.

In the end, practicality prevailed and an entire generation died largely natural deaths, while succeeding generations grew up in horror of what their forebears had done.

Chemically neutering them wasn't my idea to begin with the Allies beat me too it. They should have implemented it.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Nothing so harsh. They were merely supporting, materially and morally, the murder of millions.

Which is not a capital crime.

Yes it is.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:When did RWDT turn into Baby Stalin's Purge Emporium?

Since I came back and suggested the purging of all the Nazi Administration.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 1:27 am

Asherahan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Virtually all of Germany was antisemitic between the wars and long after. Eight and a half million Germans were members of the Nazi Party by 1945. Do away with so many? That's insane, on any level. There simply was, and should be, no matching one form of monomania with another.

In the end, practicality prevailed and an entire generation died largely natural deaths, while succeeding generations grew up in horror of what their forebears had done.

Chemically neutering them wasn't my idea to begin with the Allies beat me too it. They should have implemented it.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Which is not a capital crime.

Yes it is.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:When did RWDT turn into Baby Stalin's Purge Emporium?

Since I came back and suggested the purging of all the Nazi Administration.

If supporting the deaths of a large group of people is a capital crime, most of this thread would be dead.
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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 1:29 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Chemically neutering them wasn't my idea to begin with the Allies beat me too it. They should have implemented it.


Yes it is.


Since I came back and suggested the purging of all the Nazi Administration.

If supporting the deaths of a large group of people is a capital crime, most of this thread would be dead.

Explain?
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sun May 19, 2019 1:32 am

Didn't West Germany go easy on former Nazi party members and administrators? If so, seems to have worked out fine.

Turns out Commie propaganda is just that, propaganda. Germany didn't have to initiate Stalinist repression to shut down Nazism.

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Postby Asherahan » Sun May 19, 2019 1:34 am

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Didn't West Germany go easy on former Nazi party members and administrators? If so, seems to have worked out fine.

Turns out Commie propaganda is just that, propaganda. Germany didn't have to initiate Stalinist repression to shut down Nazism.

*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 1:35 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If supporting the deaths of a large group of people is a capital crime, most of this thread would be dead.

Explain?

Quite a lot of people (including probably myself) have moral blindspots to the point of supporting/advocating/celebrating the deaths of large groups of people. If that were a capital crime, you'd have to kill a lot of people.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun May 19, 2019 1:37 am

Asherahan wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Didn't West Germany go easy on former Nazi party members and administrators? If so, seems to have worked out fine.

Turns out Commie propaganda is just that, propaganda. Germany didn't have to initiate Stalinist repression to shut down Nazism.

*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.

The AfD is pretty small and not explicitly Nazi afaik. And what do you mean when you say "right-wing Germans?"
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