Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Novus America]

So you acknowledge the South was wrong and unreasonable.

No.

But as you said their fears were unfounded, it is obvious Lincoln has no intent or power to ban slavery in the South. So even if defended slavery justified the war (when obviously that is still a horrible justification) slavery was not even seriously threatened!

[Novus America]

But almost free clay, resources and manpower!

Nobody ever said racists where smart

Exactly. If not for racists and unreasonable slavers, imagine the size of the US.
Racism is also why we stopped working for the long term integration of the Philippines too.

What more do we need to show the racists were (and continue to be) traitors?

[Novus America]

Also gib Dominican Republic pls

It's free real estate

1.5 mil payment for national debts is nothing, basically free

Why do you want Dominican Republic?

Why not? Again it was basically free land, resources and manpower.
It could have supplied tropical agriculture and be useful for tourism purposes.
Plus it has a good strategic position.

Also Grant wanted to show a state did not have to to be white controlled, and that a majority black state was not bad just because racists thought so.

[Duhon]

Nobody ever said racists where smart

Exactly. If not for racists and unreasonable slavers, imagine the size of the US.
Racism is also why we stopped working for the long term integration of the Philippines too.

What more do we need to show the racists were (and continue to be) traitors?

Just dropping by from yet another blown election (congrats, ScoMo, at least you're Harding to everyone else's Trump and Trumpier) to note that, no, even if the Union was far more racially egalitarian, the Philippines still wouldn't be a coaling station for long.

[Novus America]

Exactly. If not for racists and unreasonable slavers, imagine the size of the US.
Racism is also why we stopped working for the long term integration of the Philippines too.

What more do we need to show the racists were (and continue to be) traitors?

Just dropping by from yet another blown election (congrats, ScoMo, at least you're Harding to everyone else's Trump and Trumpier) to note that, no, even if the Union was far more racially egalitarian, the Philippines still wouldn't be a coaling station for long.

Well it was not only a coaling station.
And there was a significant pro annexation movement in the early US period.
Taft actively supported it, but after him there seemed to be little US support for it, and it fell apart via infighting, unfortunately.
Long term the US and Philippines would have been stronger together.

[Duhon]

Just dropping by from yet another blown election (congrats, ScoMo, at least you're Harding to everyone else's Trump and Trumpier) to note that, no, even if the Union was far more racially egalitarian, the Philippines still wouldn't be a coaling station for long.

Well it was not only a coaling station.
And there was a significant pro annexation movement in the early US period.
Taft actively supported it, but after him there seemed to be little US support for it, and it fell apart via infighting, unfortunately.
Long term the US and Philippines would have been stronger together.

There would appear to be a mass appetite for annexation -- after all, the country was ravaged by war and its discontents, including mass killings and the reconcentrado policy. Of course after Taft the Federalistas had to scale back their enthusiasm for America to gain popular support.

In other words, support for annexation was inflated only by the high regard of our upper classes; as subsequent decades would show, the desire for independence (or at least getting rid of foreign meddlers) was far, far stronger.

[Novus America]

Well it was not only a coaling station.
And there was a significant pro annexation movement in the early US period.
Taft actively supported it, but after him there seemed to be little US support for it, and it fell apart via infighting, unfortunately.
Long term the US and Philippines would have been stronger together.

There would appear to be a mass appetite for annexation -- after all, the country was ravaged by war and its discontents, including mass killings and the reconcentrado policy. Of course after Taft the Federalistas had to scale back their enthusiasm for America to gain popular support.

In other words, support for annexation was inflated only by the high regard of our upper classes; as subsequent decades would show, the desire for independence (or at least getting rid of foreign meddlers) was far, far stronger.

Sure we know the independence supporters became stronger IRL. But strengths of political movements and the beliefs of the majority of the population can and do change.
Had we at least tried after Taft left as governor it is possible it could have happened.
And we should have tried.

Things did not turn out for the best long term.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Do it.

[Duhon]

Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Do it.

Nothing says patriotism like adopting the cause of literal traitors.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

Do it.

Nothing says patriotism like adopting the cause of literal traitors.

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

[Bienenhalde]

Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Okay. So supposing there was an independent Kingdom of Dixie, with no discrimination on the basis on race, who would be the royal family?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Okay. So supposing there was an independent Kingdom of Dixie, with no discrimination on the basis on race, who would be the royal family?

There wouldn't be a kingdom.

[Bienenhalde]

Okay. So supposing there was an independent Kingdom of Dixie, with no discrimination on the basis on race, who would be the royal family?

There wouldn't be a kingdom.

You mean it would be a republic?

[Washington Resistance Army]

What is your most valued book (collection)?

For me, it's my collection of "Great Ages of Man", each book provides an easy-to-read overview of different times and places, with chapters on culture, politics, religion, art, etc and pictures. I have books on the Reformation, Enlightenment, Ancient China, Imperial Rome, Byzantium, Classical Greece, Early Japan, Ancient Egypt, Historic India, Ancient America, Early Islam, Medieval Europe, 17th century Europe and the Age of Exploration. They're no longer published, which is a travesty.

A large collection of things written by William Dudley Pelley. I became interested in him back in... 2013 maybe, and I started diving into lots of his writings in the following years. I came to learn a lot of the information out there about him wasn't very correct and often times just flat out wrong (ie him and the Silver Legion being white supremacists, when my own research and talks with other people more knowledgeable than I has revealed the Legion had black members) and that inspired me to keep trying to dig up more and more stuff.

Since then I've acquired every version of No More Hunger (his original political manifesto), Something Better: How To Bring in the Christian Commonwealth (the follow up book to No More Hunger), The Door to Revelation (his autobiography), numerous magazine copies written by him, a full set of the Galahad Lectures (metaphysical writings from his Galahad College), nearly all of the internal Silver Legion writings/booklets/documentation and various spiritual books written by him.

There wouldn't be a kingdom.

You mean it would be a republic?

Almost certainly, a very decentralized one not unlike the original Confederacy if I had to place a bet.

[Novus America]

Nothing says patriotism like adopting the cause of literal traitors.

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

Many Southerns are good patriotic people. Unfortunately others are racist secessionist traitors.

[Rostavykhan]

Events of late are increasingly making me reconsider whether to readopt Southern Nationalism or not.

Okay. So supposing there was an independent Kingdom of Dixie, with no discrimination on the basis on race, who would be the royal family?

> Kingdom
> In my glorious North American continent

Monarchists get out REEEEEE

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

Many Southerns are good patriotic people. Unfortunately others are racist secessionist traitors.

> Implying patriotism means being patriotic to the US.

Lol, fuck the rest of America. South > West Coast/Midwest/New England any day.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

Many Southerns are good patriotic people. Unfortunately others are racist secessionist traitors.

Very few are racist mostly and secessionist is more popular is California, Texas, and Alaska- all big states.

[Bienenhalde]

You mean it would be a republic?

Almost certainly, a very decentralized one not unlike the original Confederacy if I had to place a bet.

In that case, I may as well reaffirm my stance that Dixie is rightful Canadian clay.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Almost certainly, a very decentralized one not unlike the original Confederacy if I had to place a bet.

In that case, I may as well reaffirm my stance that Dixie is rightful Canadian clay.

The Local Group (that contains the Milky Way and other neighboring galaxies) is the rightful clay of the United States, and we shall bring harmony and order to all.

[Asherahan]

Nothing says patriotism like adopting the cause of literal traitors.

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

Since when is secession patriotic?

[Epicurustan]

The Confederacy is a spook tbh

[Rostavykhan]

The south is not traitors we are the most patriotic people in the world.

Since when is secession patriotic?

Since we seceded and shot lobsterbacks in the American Revolution.

[Conserative Morality]

Many Southerns are good patriotic people. Unfortunately others are racist secessionist traitors.

We should have crushed the Lost Causers when we had the chance.

[Nova Cyberia]

The Union's mistake was assuming that it was only a minority of Southerners who wanted to secede when the opposite was true.

[Conserative Morality]

The Union's mistake was assuming that it was only a minority of Southerners who wanted to secede when the opposite was true.

Well, it was a minority of Southerners if you count those unjustly enslaved. =^)