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Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:45 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

So, tl;dr, All the people I don't like die and I become dictator of Earth?

Well, for starters, I would divide Earth between various regions who will send representatives to me. These representatives will be democratically elected and tell me about issues in their part of the world. Then, I will make a constitution that is designed to maximize liberty and minimize corruption. This constitution goes into effect upon my abdication or death. Then, I get the scientists of the world to research immortality and I completely ignore the representatives and do whatever I want.

Gran Libertaria shall become immortalized in history as the time a crazy Polish dude executed people for eating Pineapple on Pizza while trying to claim Libertarianism at the same time.

Liberals are 90% more likely to eat pinaplles on pizza.
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Epicurustan
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Postby Epicurustan » Fri May 17, 2019 11:47 am

I'm Italian and I enjoy eating pizza with pineapple.

Sometimes you just need a bit of chaos in this world.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:47 am

Epicurustan wrote:I'm Italian and I enjoy eating pizza with pineapple.

Sometimes you just need a bit of chaos in this world.

Wrong kind of chaos.
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri May 17, 2019 11:48 am

Epicurustan wrote:I'm Italian and I enjoy eating pizza with pineapple.

Sometimes you just need a bit of chaos in this world.

Chaos invites the Chaos Gods

Disgusting heretic
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:50 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Epicurustan wrote:I'm Italian and I enjoy eating pizza with pineapple.

Sometimes you just need a bit of chaos in this world.

Chaos invites the Chaos Gods

Disgusting heretic

What it’s heresy for chaos gods to exist outside of state religion
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:57 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


New New England: one of the few monarchical states who's founder did not make himself ruler. the throne instead occupied by a distant relation of the House of Windsor. The aesthetic is 19th century Victorian and the reconstructed Anglican Church is known for long beautiful services. The regency of the first prime minister, Old Tyrannia, is regarded as a golden age of culture.

Anarcho-Tsarist Ozarks: a voluntary association of primitive agrarian communes united under a single Tsar who rules in the name of Christ but does not act. The philosophy of a bearded man named Muscovite Nations is doctrine. The means of production are communally owned by the farmers who work the land, and technology is regarded as a tool of the Devil to enslave men's souls. Because of this stigmata against modernity, the farmers are often prey to raiders with more advanced weaponry, which lead to militant farmer defense leagues.

Fascist Virginia: a band of raiders broken and reformed into a totalistic militarist state under the dictatorship of one known as Oil Exporting Peoples. The aesthetic is a mixture of Confederate, Kaiserreich, and Roman. It despises weakness and enforces total discipline, with summary execution for those who are found guilty of breaching the rules. The number of conscripts who survive training are relatively low. It's currently at war with Maryland and its proxy state West Virginia, which Fascist Virginia wants to become a part of Virginia again.

Constitutional Legitimist Maryland: a state which claims to be the rightful heir of the United States of America and strictly enforces the constitution there. Lead by Conserative Morality, the Marylanders refer to anyone outside their territory as "filthy secessh" and shoot on sight unless you want to be an immigrant. There is a national civic religion which rewrites the Bible to worship America as an idea and the Founding Fathers as gods, with references to the Devil being replaced with the names of Civil War Confederate leaders and generals.

The Warrior Nuns of Louisiana: lead by Luminesa, these nuns terrify the South with motorcycles and yardsticks which they are not afraid to hit people with. Some say that those who are unfortunate are carried off by the nuns to a fate worse than death: Catholic boarding school.

Socdem Gang: a small regional state in northern Florida founded by three figures known as the New Founding Fathers (Genivaria, West Vale Confederacy, and Dumb Ideologies). The state has a small but active senate and follows a social democratic model with some syndicalist features built in, with a President who theoretically has near-absolute power.

Militarist League of Alabama-Georgia: formed by Washington Resistance Army and Fahran to protect people from the bands of warrior nuns abducting people, the Militarists are... fond of weaponry to put it mildly. The right to bear arms is the highest held right, and a social conservative regime is in place.


Plus my own: The Harmonious Collective of Greater Pennsylvania, which sadly needs a description because if I described it I would be rather biased in doing so, and that's terrible.


Maybe you could govern jointly with WVC, DI, and me?

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

I’d likely let the Russians unless I wouldnt. I would make a government and do away with communist ‘rights’ and equality. Very little ‘freedom’ by liberal definition lotsa guns. Eventually wither away the state.


I think modern liberalism invents a number of dubious "rights" which make little sense, but that does not mean human beings have no rights at all. The issue as I see it is that we have become too preoccupied with the rights and freedoms of individuals without paying sufficient attention to the common good.

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri May 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Not going to lie, it's actually kinda of hard imagining society being created in your own ideal image from a blank slate. I think I'm too trapped in an reformist state of mind.
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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 12:16 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I’d likely let the Russians unless I wouldnt. I would make a government and do away with communist ‘rights’ and equality. Very little ‘freedom’ by liberal definition lotsa guns. Eventually wither away the state.


I think modern liberalism invents a number of dubious "rights" which make little sense, but that does not mean human beings have no rights at all. The issue as I see it is that we have become too preoccupied with the rights and freedoms of individuals without paying sufficient attention to the common good.

Sounds like marxism :blink:
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Postby Novus America » Fri May 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Not going to lie, it's actually kinda of hard imagining society being created in your own ideal image from a blank slate. I think I'm too trapped in an reformist state of mind.


I agree.
Trying to rebuild society would be too difficult.
And it would be hellish, at least for my lifetime.

You cannot build a good society in years, even decades.

I would much rather just have power in the existing US today.
It would be much easier, quicker an less painful to fix what we have than to try to turn a Mad Max society to something semi civilized.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 17, 2019 12:44 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
I think modern liberalism invents a number of dubious "rights" which make little sense, but that does not mean human beings have no rights at all. The issue as I see it is that we have become too preoccupied with the rights and freedoms of individuals without paying sufficient attention to the common good.

Sounds like marxism :blink:

Literally everything sounds like Marxism to you, mainly because you don't know what marxism is.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm

Ugh...I checked my Facebook feed for the first time in several days and was bombarded with pro-abortion propaganda. What is wrong with my friends? >:(

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Postby Galloism » Fri May 17, 2019 12:53 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:First of all, I'd flat out encode an equal rights act into the constitution of the new state. No discrimination on the basis of race, sex, height, gender identity, or national origin. All laws must be considered for disparate impact against these groups.

And then I'd crib the first ten amendments to the US constitution to add on, with a few minor tweaks.

I'd crib most of the 14th, although in recent years i've grown skeptical of jus soli.

I also find the three coequal branches of government persuasive. I need to figure out how to keep the executive from growing out of control, though.

I'd also put in a right to vote that cannot be abridged except upon conviction of voter fraud.


That's a good start.

Respectable government choice you got there.

Thank you.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 17, 2019 12:54 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
New New England: one of the few monarchical states who's founder did not make himself ruler. the throne instead occupied by a distant relation of the House of Windsor. The aesthetic is 19th century Victorian and the reconstructed Anglican Church is known for long beautiful services. The regency of the first prime minister, Old Tyrannia, is regarded as a golden age of culture.

Anarcho-Tsarist Ozarks: a voluntary association of primitive agrarian communes united under a single Tsar who rules in the name of Christ but does not act. The philosophy of a bearded man named Muscovite Nations is doctrine. The means of production are communally owned by the farmers who work the land, and technology is regarded as a tool of the Devil to enslave men's souls. Because of this stigmata against modernity, the farmers are often prey to raiders with more advanced weaponry, which lead to militant farmer defense leagues.

Fascist Virginia: a band of raiders broken and reformed into a totalistic militarist state under the dictatorship of one known as Oil Exporting Peoples. The aesthetic is a mixture of Confederate, Kaiserreich, and Roman. It despises weakness and enforces total discipline, with summary execution for those who are found guilty of breaching the rules. The number of conscripts who survive training are relatively low. It's currently at war with Maryland and its proxy state West Virginia, which Fascist Virginia wants to become a part of Virginia again.

Constitutional Legitimist Maryland: a state which claims to be the rightful heir of the United States of America and strictly enforces the constitution there. Lead by Conserative Morality, the Marylanders refer to anyone outside their territory as "filthy secessh" and shoot on sight unless you want to be an immigrant. There is a national civic religion which rewrites the Bible to worship America as an idea and the Founding Fathers as gods, with references to the Devil being replaced with the names of Civil War Confederate leaders and generals.

The Warrior Nuns of Louisiana: lead by Luminesa, these nuns terrify the South with motorcycles and yardsticks which they are not afraid to hit people with. Some say that those who are unfortunate are carried off by the nuns to a fate worse than death: Catholic boarding school.

Socdem Gang: a small regional state in northern Florida founded by three figures known as the New Founding Fathers (Genivaria, West Vale Confederacy, and Dumb Ideologies). The state has a small but active senate and follows a social democratic model with some syndicalist features built in, with a President who theoretically has near-absolute power.

Militarist League of Alabama-Georgia: formed by Washington Resistance Army and Fahran to protect people from the bands of warrior nuns abducting people, the Militarists are... fond of weaponry to put it mildly. The right to bear arms is the highest held right, and a social conservative regime is in place.


Plus my own: The Harmonious Collective of Greater Pennsylvania, which sadly needs a description because if I described it I would be rather biased in doing so, and that's terrible.


Maybe you could govern jointly with WVC, DI, and me?


First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 17, 2019 12:56 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Maybe you could govern jointly with WVC, DI, and me?


First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?


Well, I would like to reduce aggression and encourage respect for authority, but do we really need drugs for that?

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Postby Galloism » Fri May 17, 2019 12:58 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Maybe you could govern jointly with WVC, DI, and me?


First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?

I think there was a movie about that...
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 17, 2019 12:58 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?


Well, I would like to reduce aggression and encourage respect for authority, but do we really need drugs for that?


I mean, it is a somewhat radical solution to the problem of criminality, I must admit.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 17, 2019 12:58 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Maybe you could govern jointly with WVC, DI, and me?


First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?


We should put steroids and aggression heightening drugs into the water supply to make superior American uberfolk tbh
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 17, 2019 12:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?

I think there was a movie about that...


THX 1138, you mean? I liked that film; it gave me some pretty neat ideas for statesmanship. :)
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 17, 2019 1:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?


We should put steroids and aggression heightening drugs into the water supply to make superior American uberfolk tbh


You are full of bad ideas, aren't you?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 17, 2019 1:03 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should put steroids and aggression heightening drugs into the water supply to make superior American uberfolk tbh


You are full of bad ideas, aren't you?


t. gay Christian conservative monarchist
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Fri May 17, 2019 1:04 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Ugh...I checked my Facebook feed for the first time in several days and was bombarded with pro-abortion propaganda. What is wrong with my friends? >:(

Same, tbh. A lot of the pro-abortion crowd have become something of a cult.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 17, 2019 1:04 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
We should put steroids and aggression heightening drugs into the water supply to make superior American uberfolk tbh


You are full of bad ideas, aren't you?


I mean, typically people are telling that to me, so is it odd that I feel this to be a refreshing change for once?
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 1:12 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Sounds like marxism :blink:

Literally everything sounds like Marxism to you, mainly because you don't know what marxism is.

Literally every thing sounds like fascist imperialism to you
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

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Communist Zombie Horde
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 1:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
First, a question: do you support placing nootropics and docility-inducing/aggression-reducing drugs into the water supply in order to improve the mental health of the citizenry?


We should put steroids and aggression heightening drugs into the water supply to make superior American uberfolk tbh

American are already superior
NS Parliament: Arnold Delbert; National People's Party

This nation is not entirely representative of my views. I've had some fun with the stats and I want to keep them that way.

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