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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
115
26%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
52
12%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
43
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
147
33%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
18
4%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
68
15%
 
Total votes : 443

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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Fri May 17, 2019 3:13 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:To be honest Ferdinand should have converted to Protestantism and rid Germany of popery forever.

Trying to centralise the HRE as a Catholic was a difficult goal, imagine trying to do that as a Protestant. Yikes.

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Postby Rostavykhan » Fri May 17, 2019 4:11 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Fri May 17, 2019 4:15 am

Rostavykhan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


GLORY TO THE SHOTGUN

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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 17, 2019 5:38 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


Promote the sciences and education of the youth, mandatory military service (for defense of the tribe/nation/whatever), construct a walled fortress city on the coast and attempt to recreate nuclear power to provide electricity and such for my Beautiful Citizen-Children™, promote trade with others but install severe penalties for crimes, banditry, etc. Immediately task a good portion of the army with securing the roads and trade routes from the dirty dirty ruffians trying to rob Muh Caravans™. Make Arms facilities, get some people to work in them and make muh boys in (insert fashionable dull color) their dakka.


tl;dr imagine a science-ified Caesar’s Legion from Fallout. But without the Pagan cult.
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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 17, 2019 5:40 am

Rostavykhan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


GLORY TO THE SHOGUN


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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 17, 2019 5:44 am

From whom will you defend your charred, grasping world from, o postapocalyptists (is that even a word)?

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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 17, 2019 5:49 am

Duhon wrote:From whom will you defend your charred, grasping world from, o postapocalyptists (is that even a word)?


Why the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde, of course
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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 17, 2019 5:57 am

Shanhwa wrote:
Duhon wrote:From whom will you defend your charred, grasping world from, o postapocalyptists (is that even a word)?


Why the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde, of course


You have all the survivors and all the resources. What horde? What chug-a-lug? Can you ferment air?

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri May 17, 2019 6:27 am

Shanhwa wrote:
Duhon wrote:From whom will you defend your charred, grasping world from, o postapocalyptists (is that even a word)?


Why the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde, of course

*Is the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde*

How can I possibly cope with this shocking realisation? I know, I'll have a whisky.
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Asherahan
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Postby Asherahan » Fri May 17, 2019 6:29 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:
Why the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde, of course

*Is the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde*

How can I possibly cope with this shocking realisation? I know, I'll have a whisky.

Believe it or not I don't like drinking alcohol. Excepting wine which I may drink in family gatherings I haven't drunk any alcoholic drinks for like 4 o 5 years.
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Shanhwa
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Postby Shanhwa » Fri May 17, 2019 6:46 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:
Why the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde, of course

*Is the Great Alcoholic Celt Horde*

How can I possibly cope with this shocking realisation? I know, I'll have a whisky.


Stay away, you Celt! Back I say!
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Fri May 17, 2019 7:31 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


Instructions unclear, accidentally invaded the Central African Republic.
We shoot .223's
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Postby Galloism » Fri May 17, 2019 7:39 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

First of all, I'd flat out encode an equal rights act into the constitution of the new state. No discrimination on the basis of race, sex, height, gender identity, or national origin. All laws must be considered for disparate impact against these groups.

And then I'd crib the first ten amendments to the US constitution to add on, with a few minor tweaks.

I'd crib most of the 14th, although in recent years i've grown skeptical of jus soli.

I also find the three coequal branches of government persuasive. I need to figure out how to keep the executive from growing out of control, though.

I'd also put in a right to vote that cannot be abridged except upon conviction of voter fraud.


That's a good start.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 17, 2019 7:43 am

Galloism wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

First of all, I'd flat out encode an equal rights act into the constitution of the new state. No discrimination on the basis of race, sex, height, gender identity, or national origin. All laws must be considered for disparate impact against these groups.

And then I'd crib the first ten amendments to the US constitution to add on, with a few minor tweaks.

I'd crib most of the 14th, although in recent years i've grown skeptical of jus soli.

I also find the three coequal branches of government persuasive. I need to figure out how to keep the executive from growing out of control, though.

I'd also put in a right to vote that cannot be abridged except upon conviction of voter fraud.


That's a good start.

Respectable government choice you got there.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri May 17, 2019 7:51 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


New New England: one of the few monarchical states who's founder did not make himself ruler. the throne instead occupied by a distant relation of the House of Windsor. The aesthetic is 19th century Victorian and the reconstructed Anglican Church is known for long beautiful services. The regency of the first prime minister, Old Tyrannia, is regarded as a golden age of culture.

Anarcho-Tsarist Ozarks: a voluntary association of primitive agrarian communes united under a single Tsar who rules in the name of Christ but does not act. The philosophy of a bearded man named Muscovite Nations is doctrine. The means of production are communally owned by the farmers who work the land, and technology is regarded as a tool of the Devil to enslave men's souls. Because of this stigmata against modernity, the farmers are often prey to raiders with more advanced weaponry, which lead to militant farmer defense leagues.

Fascist Virginia: a band of raiders broken and reformed into a totalistic militarist state under the dictatorship of one known as Oil Exporting Peoples. The aesthetic is a mixture of Confederate, Kaiserreich, and Roman. It despises weakness and enforces total discipline, with summary execution for those who are found guilty of breaching the rules. The number of conscripts who survive training are relatively low. It's currently at war with Maryland and its proxy state West Virginia, which Fascist Virginia wants to become a part of Virginia again.

Constitutional Legitimist Maryland: a state which claims to be the rightful heir of the United States of America and strictly enforces the constitution there. Lead by Conserative Morality, the Marylanders refer to anyone outside their territory as "filthy secessh" and shoot on sight unless you want to be an immigrant. There is a national civic religion which rewrites the Bible to worship America as an idea and the Founding Fathers as gods, with references to the Devil being replaced with the names of Civil War Confederate leaders and generals.

The Warrior Nuns of Louisiana: lead by Luminesa, these nuns terrify the South with motorcycles and yardsticks which they are not afraid to hit people with. Some say that those who are unfortunate are carried off by the nuns to a fate worse than death: Catholic boarding school.

Socdem Gang: a small regional state in northern Florida founded by three figures known as the New Founding Fathers (Genivaria, West Vale Confederacy, and Dumb Ideologies). The state has a small but active senate and follows a social democratic model with some syndicalist features built in, with a President who theoretically has near-absolute power.

Militarist League of Alabama-Georgia: formed by Washington Resistance Army and Fahran to protect people from the bands of warrior nuns abducting people, the Militarists are... fond of weaponry to put it mildly. The right to bear arms is the highest held right, and a social conservative regime is in place.


Plus my own: The Harmonious Collective of Greater Pennsylvania, which sadly needs a description because if I described it I would be rather biased in doing so, and that's terrible.
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Postby Painisia » Fri May 17, 2019 8:09 am

Even though JRR Tolkien may be one of the best fiction writers in my view, my personal bias takes over me and instead says GK Chesterton. Probably because I have started reading Outline of Sanity(Oops, it is not fiction). If it was possible to choose two options in this survey, I would have gone for both of them.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri May 17, 2019 8:22 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

A nominally-democratic technocracy, where most government officials are elected by popular vote but the people in charge of most industry and the military are (either openly or secretly, directly or indirectly) appointed by me and can be removed at any time. The ultimate purpose of such a society is to unlock the secrets of immortality and faster-than-light travel, allowing me to rule over the universe as its supreme god emperor.

This is by no means my ideal society, but the scenario states that I am the grand autocrat of Earth, and I'm writing this from that guy's perspective. I don't particularly want to be a god emperor, but in the event that I take over the world, then I will settle for nothing less.

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Postby Proctopeo » Fri May 17, 2019 9:48 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

America 2: Now With Even More Liberty
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 10:05 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

America 2: Now With Even More Liberty

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Postby Epicurustan » Fri May 17, 2019 10:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

Socialist Libertarian Free Trade Paradise.
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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Fri May 17, 2019 10:26 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

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NEW BYZANTIUM

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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri May 17, 2019 10:57 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?


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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:18 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

I’d likely let the Russians unless I wouldnt. I would make a government and do away with communist ‘rights’ and equality. Very little ‘freedom’ by liberal definition lotsa guns. Eventually wither away the state.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Fri May 17, 2019 11:39 am

Epicurustan wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

Socialist Libertarian Free Trade Paradise.

Leave
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri May 17, 2019 11:43 am

Conserative Morality wrote:From a previous RWDT

Alright RWDT. Society has collapsed. You are grand autocrat of the survivors, with all the former world's resources at hand. There are no outside Russkies/liberals/brown people to interfere with your reign. What would society look like reconstructed in your vision?

So, tl;dr, All the people I don't like die and I become dictator of Earth?

Well, for starters, I would divide Earth between various regions who will send representatives to me. These representatives will be democratically elected and tell me about issues in their part of the world. Then, I will make a constitution that is designed to maximize liberty and minimize corruption. This constitution goes into effect upon my abdication or death. Then, I get the scientists of the world to research immortality and I completely ignore the representatives and do whatever I want.

Gran Libertaria shall become immortalized in history as the time a crazy Polish dude executed people for eating Pineapple on Pizza while trying to claim Libertarianism at the same time.
All shall tremble before me

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