Joohan wrote:As a whole or at current?
Gimme a quick one for both, if you would be so kind.
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by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:07 pm
Joohan wrote:As a whole or at current?
by Salus Maior » Tue May 14, 2019 6:08 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:And the laws regarding executions in the Old Testament were meant to apply to the ancient Israelite state. Mainstream Christian theologians do not believe that gentile Christian governments are bound to implement such laws.
Funny how recently that consensus came about; just about around the time when secular governments started gaining power. Funny also how in many third world countries without strong traditions of secularism such thought still predominates, even amongst the well-educated clergy.
It's almost like the current consensus is the result of liberalism and modernism instead of a simple universal religious principle.
by Joohan » Tue May 14, 2019 6:08 pm
by Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:08 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:CM if we get you going on Ilhan Omar you could be Greg Gutfield's replacement.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 6:08 pm
by Hanafuridake » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
TIL'd opposing homophobia = hating on every single person of a specific religious belief
Wow, I've been saved from homophobia! Thanks RWDT!
First step to combat homophobia: disavow anyone who's statistically likely to be a homophobe
Really I'm just copping a tactic I've seen from the left: assume anyone who's Christian is a homophobe from the outset. I just changed it from the religion backed by Jesus to the religion backed by Mohammed.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm
by Torrocca » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm
Really I'm just copping a tactic I've seen from the left: assume anyone who's Christian is a homophobe from the outset.
I just changed it from the religion backed by Jesus to the religion backed by Mohammed.
by Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:11 pm
Napkizemlja wrote:The amount of paint brushing going on is hilarious. Despite huge swaths of America's Christian population being in support of same-sex marriage legalization it's still getting tarnished with the same brush with extremists that even conservative churches denounce. Magically this doesn't apply to white people in regards to racialists (hmmm I wonder why) or, at least for the liberal crowd, for Muslims in regards to jihadists (and trust me I think painting every Muslim as potential suicide bomber is fucking retarded as well). Is this what Peak Tolerance looks like?
by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:12 pm
Salus Maior wrote:It actually happened a couple thousand years ago.
Christians haven't been bound to Levitical law pretty much ever.
Joohan wrote:The most intrinsic and constant virtues of the United States have always been independence ( for any and every man to be able to carve for themselves a living regardless of their background; from the colonials who settled the 13 colonies to the modern entrepreneur ), and the freedom of expression ( most specifically, the freedom to express dissenting and or unpopular ideas ).
@ me.
by Salus Maior » Tue May 14, 2019 6:12 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 14, 2019 6:12 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Salus Maior wrote:1. Yes I'm aware of your horseshit view of history.
Calling it horseshit won't bring back the countless innocents who were murdered at the Church's exhortation.2. And you could say that of every group I mentioned. "Black people obey the law, when it suits them...".
I would regard anyone who regards their race above their nation the same way, tbqh.
by Salus Maior » Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm
by Bienenhalde » Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Council of Jerusalem meant that Christians aren't required to follow Judaic Civil Law, likewise Christ opposed execution and violent punishment of sinners. If you're going to rant about how bigoted Christianity is, start with educating yourself on it.
The Council Of Jerusalem did not abolish the moral law, only ritual law, and in addition contradicts Christ's own words; furthermore, even if your interpretation of it was correct, clearly, it has not historically been adhered to by Christians.
by Joohan » Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm
by FelrikTheDeleted » Tue May 14, 2019 6:15 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Calling it horseshit won't bring back the countless innocents who were murdered at the Church's exhortation.
I would regard anyone who regards their race above their nation the same way, tbqh.
You make it seem as if one should have loyalty to the nation above all. That seems a rather jingoistic sentiment in my opinion.
by Duhon » Tue May 14, 2019 6:15 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:I think that's a fair estimation. So how is my ideology at odds, rather than an addendum, to that?
by Hanafuridake » Tue May 14, 2019 6:15 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Calling it horseshit won't bring back the countless innocents who were murdered at the Church's exhortation.
I would regard anyone who regards their race above their nation the same way, tbqh.
You make it seem as if one should have loyalty to the nation above all. That seems a rather jingoistic sentiment in my opinion.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 6:17 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You make it seem as if one should have loyalty to the nation above all. That seems a rather jingoistic sentiment in my opinion.
It's complete nonsense which would absolutely destroy morality. Sophie Scholl would be labeled a traitor by German CM because of her liberal ideology.
by Joohan » Tue May 14, 2019 6:19 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Salus Maior wrote:It actually happened a couple thousand years ago.
Christians haven't been bound to Levitical law pretty much ever.
Yet they've seemed happy enough to enforce it all the same.Joohan wrote:The most intrinsic and constant virtues of the United States have always been independence ( for any and every man to be able to carve for themselves a living regardless of their background; from the colonials who settled the 13 colonies to the modern entrepreneur ), and the freedom of expression ( most specifically, the freedom to express dissenting and or unpopular ideas ).
@ me.
I think that's a fair estimation. So how is my ideology at odds, rather than an addendum, to that?
by Camelone » Tue May 14, 2019 6:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Camelone wrote:Yeah that still doesn't fly. If Rome actually wanted the Christian community to show their loyalty instead of a sacrifice, which Christians do not offer for any reason, they should have told the Christians to pray to God for the protection and guidance of the Emperor instead of using it as a reason to crackdown on a community they did not like nor desire within their dominion. It was specifically against the faith and the Roman government could have easily accommodated them but decided not to.
I doubt Decian considered Christianity even for a moment when issuing the edict. Christianity was a minor mystery cult at that point in time.
by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:21 pm
Salus Maior wrote:
There's enough blood to go around, CM. You are perfectly aware that "countless innocents" were killed by Republican movements throughout history as well.
Of course the difference between you and me is that I don't justify the Church's past violence or say that the punished always deserved it.
by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:22 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
You make it seem as if one should have loyalty to the nation above all. That seems a rather jingoistic sentiment in my opinion.
by Conserative Morality » Tue May 14, 2019 6:23 pm
Joohan wrote:
As a whole, America has been defined by it's adherence to the ideals of personal independence, in that any individual can live comfortably by their own work and merit regardless of background; and freedom of expression, in that anyone may express any opinion and or idea freely without state repression. People may argue that there are other virtues - but these I think have been constants with contest, from independence to modern times.
The contempary United States is more generally catagorized by it's globalized commercial/political affairs, in that we've taken upon ourselves to be the world police and leader of the free world; and consumerism, in that an excess of disposable material ( this including media, entertainment services, etc ) is equitable to a desirable state of living.
by Napkizemlja » Tue May 14, 2019 6:23 pm
Camelone wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:I doubt Decian considered Christianity even for a moment when issuing the edict. Christianity was a minor mystery cult at that point in time.
He probably didn't but the local magistrates most likely considered them dangerous and were more than happy to have an excuse to crack down on any of these Christians who had abandoned customary religious practices and were evangelizing. Regardless it was the way the edict was written which caused the persecution because while Christians would have been more than happy to pray for the Emperor and the security of the Empire instead of offering sacrifices, which in of itself runs so contrary to the faith it is at the very least near apostasy.
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