2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Galloism]

Nah, I think he'd do great. If his Boston Bomber comment dooms him, then I have no hope for the United States.

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

He's a citizen, isn't he?

[San Lumen]

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

He's a citizen, isn't he?

Yes but prisoners should not vote. Once you get out of prison you absolutely should be able to vote.

[Ifreann]

I too look forward to stripping the vote from all executives from oil companies and similar types of entities.

Actually a good idea.

Dictatorship of the proletariat, you say?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Nah, I think he'd do great. If his Boston Bomber comment dooms him, then I have no hope for the United States.

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

Yep. Or at least, I'd allow the Boston Bomber to vote if it meant allowing those currently in prison for non-violent drug offences to vote. Allowing people to vote not only disabridges a fundamental democratic right, but also has quite a lot of positive consequences (enfranchising non-violent prisoners) and few negative consequences (unless all the deranged and malicious prisoners decide to vote as a bloc for whoever they deem would cause the most harm).

[Ors Might]

I’m not seeing any reason why we shouldn’t protect cultural minorities from apathetic cultural majorities. It’s something we do all the time.

The result in that district is therefore unfair and the incumbent should have won reelection because he won every county in the district but Polk?

Should there or should there not be protections in place to prevent cultural majorities from imposing their will upon cultural minorities? If the answer is somewhere in the middle, what sort of means should minorities have of protecting themselves?

[Galloism]

He's a citizen, isn't he?

Yes but prisoners should not vote. Once you get out of prison you absolutely should be able to vote.

Why?

[San Lumen]

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

Yep. Or at least, I'd allow the Boston Bomber to vote if it meant allowing those currently in prison for non-violent drug offences to vote. Allowing people to vote not only disabridges a fundamental democratic right, but also has quite a lot of positive consequences (enfranchising non-violent prisoners) and few negative consequences (unless all the deranged and malicious prisoners decide to vote as a bloc for whoever they deem would cause the most harm).

Well i don't. Your in prison and should not be able to vote whilst incarcerated.

What about a sexual predator going to a polling location to vote? Should we allow that to?

[Galloism]

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

Yep. Or at least, I'd allow the Boston Bomber to vote if it meant allowing those currently in prison for non-violent drug offences to vote. Allowing people to vote not only disabridges a fundamental democratic right, but also has quite a lot of positive consequences (enfranchising non-violent prisoners) and few negative consequences (unless all the deranged and malicious prisoners decide to vote as a bloc for whoever they deem would cause the most harm).

To prevent this, I would recommend restricting location of residence to the place it was before they were put in prison. I wouldn't let them change their residence to the prison.

This would prevent the prisoner block from overwhelming local politics - leaving the votes spread out, if it makes sense.

And if our prison population is so high they can swing an election, we really really need to reevaluate what we're doing as a society.

[San Lumen]

The result in that district is therefore unfair and the incumbent should have won reelection because he won every county in the district but Polk?

Should there or should there not be protections in place to prevent cultural majorities from imposing their will upon cultural minorities? If the answer is somewhere in the middle, what sort of means should minorities have of protecting themselves?

We should therefore make land area count more than votes and effectively rig elections for one side?

[Ors Might]

Yes but prisoners should not vote. Once you get out of prison you absolutely should be able to vote.

Why?

There’s an argument to be made that prisoners that commit acts of terrorism shouldn’t be allowed to engage in the political process while they’re in prison. It kinda falls apart when applied to petty thieves but it’s there.

[Ors Might]

Should there or should there not be protections in place to prevent cultural majorities from imposing their will upon cultural minorities? If the answer is somewhere in the middle, what sort of means should minorities have of protecting themselves?

We should therefore make land area count more than votes and effectively rig elections for one side?

Should minorities submit to the majority in all things?

[Galloism]

Why?

There’s an argument to be made that prisoners that commit acts of terrorism shouldn’t be allowed to engage in the political process while they’re in prison. It kinda falls apart when applied to petty thieves but it’s there.

I'm not sure why terrorism. Clearly they're political activists who want political change.

Now voter fraud I think I can get behind. There the punishment explicitly fits the crime.

[Ifreann]

He's a citizen, isn't he?

Yes but prisoners should not vote. Once you get out of prison you absolutely should be able to vote.

Prisoners should be able to vote. Being incarcerated shouldn't mean losing all one's rights, only those strictly necessary to effect one's incarceration.

[Galloism]

Yes but prisoners should not vote. Once you get out of prison you absolutely should be able to vote.

Prisoners should be able to vote. Being incarcerated shouldn't mean losing all one's rights, only those strictly necessary to effect one's incarceration.

But Iffy, the prisoners could take the ballots and shove them into another person's mouth where they could choke. The pens could be used to gouge a guard's eyes out!

We need security in these prisons, not anarchy! Imagine, ballots flying around everywhere, inkpens blowing up in your face, it's anarchy, pure anarchy!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yep. Or at least, I'd allow the Boston Bomber to vote if it meant allowing those currently in prison for non-violent drug offences to vote. Allowing people to vote not only disabridges a fundamental democratic right, but also has quite a lot of positive consequences (enfranchising non-violent prisoners) and few negative consequences (unless all the deranged and malicious prisoners decide to vote as a bloc for whoever they deem would cause the most harm).

Well i don't. Your in prison and should not be able to vote whilst incarcerated.

What about a sexual predator going to a polling location to vote? Should we allow that to?

Then you are restricting the rights of a drug offending and petty thieving majority for the sake of stopping the violent and psychotic minority.

The polling stations should be inside the prison if prisoners were permitted to vote.

[San Lumen]

We should therefore make land area count more than votes and effectively rig elections for one side?

Should minorities submit to the majority in all things?

There are things called courts.

Elections are decided on who gets the most votes not who wins the most land area. To have a system like your proposing would mean that the majority of the population in Washington state would be outvoted by the rural minority. The Republican would be almost guaranteed of winning every statewide office next year. How is that fair?

[Galloism]

Well i don't. Your in prison and should not be able to vote whilst incarcerated.

What about a sexual predator going to a polling location to vote? Should we allow that to?

Then you are restricting the rights of a drug offending and petty thieving majority for the sake of stopping the violent and psychotic minority.

The polling stations should be inside the prison if prisoners were permitted to vote.

It's almost like we can put those machines anywhere we want.

[San Lumen]

Well i don't. Your in prison and should not be able to vote whilst incarcerated.

What about a sexual predator going to a polling location to vote? Should we allow that to?

Then you are restricting the rights of a drug offending and petty thieving majority for the sake of stopping the violent and psychotic minority.

The polling stations should be inside the prison if prisoners were permitted to vote.

and why should a inmate rom outside the municipality or state be allowed to decide the elected officials from that area?

[Galloism]

Then you are restricting the rights of a drug offending and petty thieving majority for the sake of stopping the violent and psychotic minority.

The polling stations should be inside the prison if prisoners were permitted to vote.

and why should a inmate rom outside the municipality or state be allowed to decide the elected officials from that area?

Yep. Or at least, I'd allow the Boston Bomber to vote if it meant allowing those currently in prison for non-violent drug offences to vote. Allowing people to vote not only disabridges a fundamental democratic right, but also has quite a lot of positive consequences (enfranchising non-violent prisoners) and few negative consequences (unless all the deranged and malicious prisoners decide to vote as a bloc for whoever they deem would cause the most harm).

To prevent this, I would recommend restricting location of residence to the place it was before they were put in prison. I wouldn't let them change their residence to the prison.

This would prevent the prisoner block from overwhelming local politics - leaving the votes spread out, if it makes sense.

And if our prison population is so high they can swing an election, we really really need to reevaluate what we're doing as a society.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There are things called courts.

What happens when the side doing the oppression has also appointed the majority of the judges?

[Ifreann]

Then you are restricting the rights of a drug offending and petty thieving majority for the sake of stopping the violent and psychotic minority.

The polling stations should be inside the prison if prisoners were permitted to vote.

and why should a inmate rom outside the municipality or state be allowed to decide the elected officials from that area?

The same reason you should be allowed to vote in Gary, Indiana if you moved there, even though you're from New York.

[San Lumen]

There are things called courts.

What happens when the side doing the oppression has also appointed the majority of the judges?

elections have consequences. Whoever gets elected should get to pick who they want for appointed positions and the legislature can reject or confirm those nominees.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What happens when the side doing the oppression has also appointed the majority of the judges?

elections have consequences. Whoever gets elected should get to pick who they want for appointed positions and the legislature can reject or confirm those nominees.

So you're saying yes the majority should be able to fuck over the minority just cuz.

Cool, can't wait to outlaw abortion and LGBT marriage cuz the GOP won.

[Galloism]

and why should a inmate rom outside the municipality or state be allowed to decide the elected officials from that area?

The same reason you should be allowed to Gary, Indiana if you moved there, even though you're from New York.

Well, slow your roll here. We have a common law concept called a domicile, which is broadly defined as “your permanent home, the place to which you always intend to return”. This defines what your state of residence is.

If you take a temporary five year contract in Gary, but you maintain your home in New York and always intend to return there, New York is still your resident state. You still pay taxes there, keep your driver’s license there, vehicle registration there, and yes you still vote there.

Other than lifers with no possibility of parole (for which there’s an argument the prison has become their domicile), no one intends to make the prison their permanent home. So they should continue to vote where their domicile is.

[Ifreann]

elections have consequences. Whoever gets elected should get to pick who they want for appointed positions and the legislature can reject or confirm those nominees.

So you're saying yes the majority should be able to fuck over the minority just cuz.

Cool, can't wait to outlaw abortion and LGBT marriage cuz the GOP won.

Give it a few months for those new abortion laws to get to the Supreme Court.