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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Galloism » Fri May 17, 2019 1:56 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:Image

Those trees are my friends!


All the more reason they shouldn't get to vote :rofl:

Very well!

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 17, 2019 1:56 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
All the more reason they shouldn't get to vote :rofl:

Very well!

Image


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Postby Chan Island » Fri May 17, 2019 2:01 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
All the more reason they shouldn't get to vote :rofl:

Very well!

Image


So today I looked at this thread expecting a discussion about some candidate's policy or words, and instead got the ents going to war.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 17, 2019 2:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Perhaps farms, cattle and trees should cast ballots?

I'd love to have 1800 more votes.

Oh I have a big section of woods on my property. I'd love to have a few thousand more votes.

can my dogs be allowed to vote too?

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 17, 2019 2:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:Oh I have a big section of woods on my property. I'd love to have a few thousand more votes.

can my dogs be allowed to vote too?


No.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 17, 2019 2:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:can my dogs be allowed to vote too?


No.

why not?

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 17, 2019 2:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No.

why not?


You probably got some crazy Democrat doggos.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 pm

Tarsonis wrote:Let’s use New York as an example. 64% of the population lives in the NYMA.
Now let’s look at the voting dispersal in 2016:


The real question is, why is it fair that all of those other people get dictated to by the people of the NYMA?


That doesn’t look like a map of the actual vote, it looks like a swing or trend map of how they voted relative to the last election.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Fri May 17, 2019 2:53 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Bill Weld is a serious politician, but he's not a serious contender for a primary. Most people don't even know Bill is running and he's definitely not getting media traction. This is assuming there even is a republican primary.


Maybe left-leaning media outlets are refusing to cover Weld because it goes against their goal of vilifying the Republican Party.


The GOP doesn't need any help in that regard. The media only need bring mics and cameras to this shitshow. The Republicans enjoy their villianhood now more than ever.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Fri May 17, 2019 2:59 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Screw off forest lord, wild trees don't count.

I will smite thee for angering the Tree Gods, they will send an army of angry lumberjacks to destroy you.


Telephone poles just went missing.

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 17, 2019 4:14 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Let’s use New York as an example. 64% of the population lives in the NYMA.
Now let’s look at the voting dispersal in 2016:


The real question is, why is it fair that all of those other people get dictated to by the people of the NYMA?


That doesn’t look like a map of the actual vote, it looks like a swing or trend map of how they voted relative to the last election.



Curse you google! I thought it was weird that Buffalo was red.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 17, 2019 6:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
That doesn’t look like a map of the actual vote, it looks like a swing or trend map of how they voted relative to the last election.



Curse you google! I thought it was weird that Buffalo was red.

Here is the results of the last gubernatorial election in New York with county by county results: https://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail ... eID=810000

Is that result unfair to you?

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Postby Besterus Averagium Gamington » Sat May 18, 2019 5:24 am

U.S 2020 Election - Trump Election 2: Electric Boogaloo

Asides from the cheap joke, as an outsider and arguably more left-leaning to the U.S, is it even possible for the current political climate to elect a Democrat/left-leaning president? Trump's still quite popular.

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Postby Duhon » Sat May 18, 2019 5:46 am

Besterus Averagium Gamington wrote:U.S 2020 Election - Trump Election 2: Electric Boogaloo

Asides from the cheap joke, as an outsider and arguably more left-leaning to the U.S, is it even possible for the current political climate to elect a Democrat/left-leaning president? Trump's still quite popular.


As a fellow outsider (Pinoy to your... Aussie?), I must say it's more an election for Democrats to lose than for Trump to win. His averages may never have risen beyond 50%, but his base is rock-solid behind him. If Democrats choose the wrong candidate the US will see Trump destroy it (and I dunno, the whole world? that would seem even more palatable by then) by 2024.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:17 am

Duhon wrote:
Besterus Averagium Gamington wrote:U.S 2020 Election - Trump Election 2: Electric Boogaloo

Asides from the cheap joke, as an outsider and arguably more left-leaning to the U.S, is it even possible for the current political climate to elect a Democrat/left-leaning president? Trump's still quite popular.


As a fellow outsider (Pinoy to your... Aussie?), I must say it's more an election for Democrats to lose than for Trump to win. His averages may never have risen beyond 50%, but his base is rock-solid behind him. If Democrats choose the wrong candidate the US will see Trump destroy it (and I dunno, the whole world? that would seem even more palatable by then) by 2024.

Which is why the democrats must nominate Bernie instead of Biden.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 18, 2019 8:20 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Duhon wrote:
As a fellow outsider (Pinoy to your... Aussie?), I must say it's more an election for Democrats to lose than for Trump to win. His averages may never have risen beyond 50%, but his base is rock-solid behind him. If Democrats choose the wrong candidate the US will see Trump destroy it (and I dunno, the whole world? that would seem even more palatable by then) by 2024.

Which is why the democrats must nominate Bernie instead of Biden.

Bernie would be destroyed in a general election. His comment about allowing prisoners to vote including the Boston bomber will be his Willie Horton and if you dont think it would be an effective attack it would

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat May 18, 2019 8:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Which is why the democrats must nominate Bernie instead of Biden.

Bernie would be destroyed in a general election. His comment about allowing prisoners to vote including the Boston bomber will be his Willie Horton and if you dont think it would be an effective attack it would

Which is so dumb. Why on earth should prisoners vote? After they've served their sentences, absolutely. During that time? No. They are there because they HARMED society and should not be able to have a say in how that society is governed.

However, we should start reconsidering what crimes actually send you to jail, get rid of mandatory minimums, and allow people with felonies to vote even during their sentence so long as it wasn't a horrid crime like murder, theft above 5,000, or other heinous crimes.
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Postby Galloism » Sat May 18, 2019 8:35 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:They are there because they HARMED society and should not be able to have a say in how that society is governed.


I too look forward to stripping the vote from all executives from oil companies and similar types of entities.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat May 18, 2019 8:36 am

Galloism wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:They are there because they HARMED society and should not be able to have a say in how that society is governed.


I too look forward to stripping the vote from all executives from oil companies and similar types of entities.

Let's do it
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Which is why the democrats must nominate Bernie instead of Biden.

Bernie would be destroyed in a general election. His comment about allowing prisoners to vote including the Boston bomber will be his Willie Horton and if you dont think it would be an effective attack it would

Nah, I think he'd do great. If his Boston Bomber comment dooms him, then I have no hope for the United States.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 8:45 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Bernie would be destroyed in a general election. His comment about allowing prisoners to vote including the Boston bomber will be his Willie Horton and if you dont think it would be an effective attack it would

Which is so dumb. Why on earth should prisoners vote? After they've served their sentences, absolutely. During that time? No. They are there because they HARMED society and should not be able to have a say in how that society is governed.

However, we should start reconsidering what crimes actually send you to jail, get rid of mandatory minimums, and allow people with felonies to vote even during their sentence so long as it wasn't a horrid crime like murder, theft above 5,000, or other heinous crimes.

Because they are an American citizen. Smoking a little weed shouldn't bar you from the right to a say in the makeup of the government.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 18, 2019 8:48 am

Galloism wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:They are there because they HARMED society and should not be able to have a say in how that society is governed.


I too look forward to stripping the vote from all executives from oil companies and similar types of entities.


Actually a good idea.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat May 18, 2019 8:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Why is that more fair? Why is it fair that culturally homogenous group A, gets to dictate to culturally homogeneous group B, just because Group A has more people, even though group B controls more land area and some live hundreds of miles away from group A?

Because, farms, cattle and trees don’t cast ballots.

I guess it’s unfair Cindy Axne is a Congresswoman from Iowa because the only county she won in her district was Polk County which is Des Moines.

In a state like Nevada where 75 percent of state is in Clark county and another 15 percent in washoe under a system like your proposing the Republican would always win. 15 percent of the state would be deciding statewide elections. How is that fair?

I’m not seeing any reason why we shouldn’t protect cultural minorities from apathetic cultural majorities. It’s something we do all the time.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 18, 2019 8:49 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Bernie would be destroyed in a general election. His comment about allowing prisoners to vote including the Boston bomber will be his Willie Horton and if you dont think it would be an effective attack it would

Nah, I think he'd do great. If his Boston Bomber comment dooms him, then I have no hope for the United States.

You support allowing the Boston Bomber to vote from prison?

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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 18, 2019 8:50 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Because, farms, cattle and trees don’t cast ballots.

I guess it’s unfair Cindy Axne is a Congresswoman from Iowa because the only county she won in her district was Polk County which is Des Moines.

In a state like Nevada where 75 percent of state is in Clark county and another 15 percent in washoe under a system like your proposing the Republican would always win. 15 percent of the state would be deciding statewide elections. How is that fair?

I’m not seeing any reason why we shouldn’t protect cultural minorities from apathetic cultural majorities. It’s something we do all the time.


The result in that district is therefore unfair and the incumbent should have won reelection because he won every county in the district but Polk?

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