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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
26
15%
Bernie Sanders
54
31%
Elizabeth Warren
16
9%
Kamala Harris
5
3%
Pete Buttigieg
7
4%
Cory Booker
1
1%
Beto O'Rourke
1
1%
Andrew Yang
22
13%
Other
34
20%
Undecided
7
4%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:41 pm

Duhon wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.


If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


Inspiring derision is what presidents do.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 1:43 pm

Duhon wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.


If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


He seems to be doing everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. Also, how is he not advocating democracy?
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Duhon wrote:
If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


Inspiring derision is what presidents do.

Most of them don't actively try to do it.
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 1:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Duhon wrote:
If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


Inspiring derision is what presidents do.


That's only their ...dare i say it... sideshow.
To distract you with.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
Duhon wrote:
If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


Inspiring derision is what presidents do.


But he's the shitshow you like, or at least less loathe -- not that I'm gonna take pointers on presidential behavior from you.

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:44 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Inspiring derision is what presidents do.

Most of them don't actively try to do it.


Trump does?
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:44 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Duhon wrote:
If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


He seems to be doing everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. Also, how is he not advocating democracy?

For the first part, I'd disagree, but that's a matter of perception so a debate is pointless.
For the second, he did say that he should get an extra two years in office because the Mueller report inconvenienced him.
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
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My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Most of them don't actively try to do it.


Trump does?

...Have you read the man's tweets?
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
Shrek dies in Endgame.
My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
Political compass: -5.5 economic, -3.54 social (social democrat), will retake every few months.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Duhon wrote:
If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


He seems to be doing everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. Also, how is he not advocating democracy?


... Orban is in Washington. Right now.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:47 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Inspiring derision is what presidents do.


That's only their ...dare i say it... sideshow.
To distract you with.


You're supposing Trump can get his head out of his ass long enough to plan a diversion to distract the rest of us with.

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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 1:47 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Trump does?

...Have you read the man's tweets?


Oh yeah, he is absolutely his own worst enemy when it comes to SM. I don't care about twitter tho.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 1:47 pm

Duhon wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
That's only their ...dare i say it... sideshow.
To distract you with.


You're supposing Trump can get his head out of his ass long enough to plan a diversion to distract the rest of us with.


There's a lot you can do inside an ass.

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:48 pm

Duhon wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
He seems to be doing everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. Also, how is he not advocating democracy?


... Orban is in Washington. Right now.


Oh, you mean the democratically elected Prime Minister of Hungary?
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:49 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Trump does?

...Have you read the man's tweets?


I have.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:49 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:...Have you read the man's tweets?


Oh yeah, he is absolutely his own worst enemy when it comes to SM. I don't care about twitter tho.

His official statements are barely better, I just pointed to his Twitter because it's much more easily accessible.
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
Shrek dies in Endgame.
My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:...Have you read the man's tweets?


I have.

And you're still confused as to why one might think he's trying to make political polarization worse?
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
Shrek dies in Endgame.
My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
Political compass: -5.5 economic, -3.54 social (social democrat), will retake every few months.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 1:51 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I have.

And you're still confused as to why one might think he's trying to make political polarization worse?


You're leading the witness, counselor.

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:52 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I have.

And you're still confused as to why one might think he's trying to make political polarization worse?


Yes.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 1:52 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Oh yeah, he is absolutely his own worst enemy when it comes to SM. I don't care about twitter tho.

His official statements are barely better, I just pointed to his Twitter because it's much more easily accessible.


His official statements are usually fairly good (with some exceptions). I thought his State of the Union dress was great and is the true nature of Trump. Need a reason to vote for Trump? Watch his state of the union address.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 1:53 pm

Duhon wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
He seems to be doing everything in his power to keep his campaign promises. Also, how is he not advocating democracy?


... Orban is in Washington. Right now.


and?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon May 13, 2019 1:55 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Duhon wrote:
What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?


If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.

Interesting that you mention AOC and a news obsession.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the progressive freshman congresswoman from New York, is a significant subject of discussion for nearly every host, commentator and analyst at Fox News.

A new study finds that Ocasio-Cortez was mentioned at least 3,181 times on Fox News and its sister channel Fox Business Network during the six-week period of Feb. 25 to April 7, or just under 76 times a day. Not a single day passed in that time frame when Ocasio-Cortez was not mentioned on the networks, according to the research.
...
Ocasio-Cortez has "become an obsession on Fox News." It further called the freshman lawmaker the conservative network's latest boogeyman, described as "someone for hosts and guests to demonize, knock down and refer to whenever grievances need to be aired against the Democratic Party."

"Ocasio-Cortez is brought up constantly, even if the topic has nothing to do with her," Media Matters noted. "Hosts and guests smear and misrepresent Ocasio-Cortez's agenda, caricaturing it while painting it as radical, dangerous, far-left socialism."

The organization said Fox News hosts and analysts "go on extended, agressively [sic] angry rants about her. They've repeatedly attacked her intelligence, used her age to discredit her and dismissed her as a 'little girl.'"
...
More specifically, host Tucker Carlson called her an "idiot wind bag," a "pompous little twit," a "garden-variety hypocrite," "self-involved and dumb," a "moron, and nasty and more self-righteous than any televangelist." Another host, Jeanine Pirro, referred to Ocasio-Cortez as a "bartender," in reference to her pre-politics career. Other commentators accused the 29-year-old lawmaker of adopting a fake accent, compared her to a child and called her "adorable in sort of the way that a five-year-old child can be adorable."

Fox Business host Stuart Varney acknowledged the network's laser-sharp focus on the New York Democrat, noting, "We have an AOC segment every single day, almost every single hour. She's good for our ratings." Since she was sworn into the 116th Congress in January, Ocasio-Cortez has emerged as a national progressive firebrand, capturing the attention of Americans of all political stripes. Along the way, she has become a near constant target of the Republican Party's attacks and smears, often drawing the ire of conservative media pundits, who have questioned her age and her ability to make policy decisions. The New York Democrat has occasionally received a less-than-warm reception on Capitol Hill from fellow Democrats, especially over her vow to back primary challengers against party incumbents.

More
Fox News has run more coverage on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) than on any of the likely or possible 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls apart from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the Washington Post reported Wednesday.

But wait, there's more
Fox News can’t stop talking about Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), even when the freshman member of U.S. Congress has nothing to do with the topic the news network is discussing. News outlets like Vice, Vanity Fair, and the Atlantic have all written about the conservative fixation with Ocasio-Cortez, with Vice dubbing the Bronx-based bartender-turned-politician the “perfect grist for the right-wing media mill.”
...
Fox News host Sean Hannity was the most fixated on AOC. In January, he mentioned her by name 46 times, which they point out is more than twice per show. Even host Tucker Carlson only managed to squeeze in 16 mentions of Ocasio-Cortez.

Lest you think the networks merely love talking politics, they mentioned Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) only a combined 27 times and ran a whopping total of zero segments that focused on the majority leader, even though he wields a lot more power than a freshman representative. As Ocasio-Cortez might say, it sure seems like “obsesión.”

I'm going to take a flier on where you get your news...
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 1:57 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:His official statements are barely better, I just pointed to his Twitter because it's much more easily accessible.


His official statements are usually fairly good (with some exceptions). I thought his State of the Union dress was great and is the true nature of Trump. Need a reason to vote for Trump? Watch his state of the union address.

Anyone can read a good speech of a teleprompter, I'm talking about what he says when he's not. "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, but some I assume are good people" is a good example.
Like him or not, Obama didn't have these problems.
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
Shrek dies in Endgame.
My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
Political compass: -5.5 economic, -3.54 social (social democrat), will retake every few months.

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:58 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
His official statements are usually fairly good (with some exceptions). I thought his State of the Union dress was great and is the true nature of Trump. Need a reason to vote for Trump? Watch his state of the union address.

Anyone can read a good speech of a teleprompter, I'm talking about what he says when he's not. "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, but some I assume are good people" is a good example.
Like him or not, Obama didn't have these problems.


He did, you just weren't in the part of the audience that found the things he said offensive.
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-Life
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
His official statements are usually fairly good (with some exceptions). I thought his State of the Union dress was great and is the true nature of Trump. Need a reason to vote for Trump? Watch his state of the union address.

Anyone can read a good speech of a teleprompter, I'm talking about what he says when he's not. "They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, but some I assume are good people" is a good example.
Like him or not, Obama didn't have these problems.


Obama was a great public speaker. A horrible president, but a great public speaker. Besides, Trump's speech isn't even wrong. They aren't ALL rapists but some of them are.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 13, 2019 2:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:And you're still confused as to why one might think he's trying to make political polarization worse?


Yes.

I googled "trump tweets", went to images, and here's the first result:
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In this tweet alone he says he's going to veto a bill that would be unreasonable if it actually existed, reminds everyone that Democrats want more crime, and WALL. But yes, I definitely don't see how this could be polarizing at all.
IC name is "The United Socialist States of America".
This nation does not represent my actual political beliefs.
NS stats are mostly canon, but serve more as a guideline than anything else.
Collectivism, capitalism, authority, and individuality all do not function in a vacuum, or at least not on a large enough scale to be worth basing an ideology around, and they must all be tempered by the opposing force. (Not a centrist, by the way, but they do raise good points, and they're probably the most sane and level headed ideology - and yes, mine is no exception.)
Shrek dies in Endgame.
My factbooks are quite messy, I'll update them sometime in the distant future.
Political compass: -5.5 economic, -3.54 social (social democrat), will retake every few months.

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