2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Sidesh0w B0b]

But we the people didn't know that at the time. We believed the Better Dead than Red propaganda provided by the government, other institutions and the media.

And five generations before that 600,000 Americans decided it was better to be dead than blue/gray

Also, notably, dead is preferable to red, but the chances of that choice being forced was minimal.

Perhaps the proclivity of distilled spirits beginning 40 years prior had something to do with a crazed willingness to fight it out. Plus nobody listened to the women. The Civil War itself gave the suffragette movement the critical mass it needed to give women the vote and a voice. Women don't want a God damn civil war.

[Telconi]

And five generations before that 600,000 Americans decided it was better to be dead than blue/gray

Also, notably, dead is preferable to red, but the chances of that choice being forced was minimal.

Perhaps the proclivity of distilled spirits beginning 40 years prior had something to do with a crazed willingness to fight it out. Plus nobody listened to the women. The Civil War itself gave the suffragette movement the critical mass it needed to give women the vote and a voice. Women don't want a God damn civil war.

Women are hardly a homogeneous group.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Our divisions are magnified as those fears of Soviet attack were in the 1950s and 60s. You are fear mongering.

Debatable, an American person in the 1960s had a grand total of zero percent chance of being punished for disobeying the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

I absolutely have a non-zero chance of being punished for disobeying the Ddmocratic Party of California.

Francis Gary Powers would disagree.

[Telconi]

Debatable, an American person in the 1960s had a grand total of zero percent chance of being punished for disobeying the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

I absolutely have a non-zero chance of being punished for disobeying the Ddmocratic Party of California.

Gary Francis Powers would disagree.

Ha ha. Funny. An American person in America.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Our divisions are magnified as those fears of Soviet attack were in the 1950s and 60s. You are fear mongering.

Look, back in 2016 I thought the fears of Trump were overblown. I hated him with a passion, but people were screaming all sorts of stuff that I thought was ridiculous that he'd do.

Then he did all that, when it was considered by others as unrealistic.

Yeah I'm not a cynic anymore.

That said, I'm not fear-mongering. I'm not calling people to arms. I'm simply giving warnings and want people to develop contingency plans for it. I don't want people to panic. Instead I want people to proceed calmly if and when it occurs, to be prepared, but not obsess themselves over that possibility.

Nor try to provoke it or relish in it, nor be fatalistic "because it is inevitable."

Fear-Mongering does nothing, but I have foreseen it-metaphorically of course-and want to talk about it so people will have the chance to prepare in advance.

The Comey letter put Trump into the White House. It was a freak occurrence. We'll all get past it if we see it for what it is.

[San Lumen]

Our divisions are magnified as those fears of Soviet attack were in the 1950s and 60s. You are fear mongering.

Look, back in 2016 I thought the fears of Trump were overblown. I hated him with a passion, but people were screaming all sorts of stuff that I thought was ridiculous that he'd do.

Then he did all that, when it was considered by others as unrealistic.

Yeah I'm not a cynic anymore.

That said, I'm not fear-mongering. I'm not calling people to arms. I'm simply giving warnings and want people to develop contingency plans for it. I don't want people to panic. Instead I want people to proceed calmly if and when it occurs, to be prepared, but not obsess themselves over that possibility.

Nor try to provoke it or relish in it, nor be fatalistic "because it is inevitable."

Fear-Mongering does nothing, but I have foreseen it-metaphorically of course-and want to talk about it so people will have the chance to prepare in advance.

And I thought we’d never win again and that off year elections and the midterms would be an unmitigated disaster. I turned out to be wrong. I still believe in a place called hope

[Valrifell]

I'm predicting this as someone who's specialized in studying the causes, situations around civil wars, geopolitics which influences it, etc.

I'm reasonably confident due to my studies.

You're 19 you haven't studied a thing with the kind of vigor you think.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Gary Francis Powers would disagree.

Ha ha. Funny. An American person in America.

Francis Gary Powers. U-2 plane shot down in the USSR - 1960. An American in a Soviet prison doing hard labor for 2 years. He was punished for disobeying the Soviet Union's airspace.

The Comey letter put Trump into the White House. It was a freak occurrence. We'll get all past it.

I'm not denying Trump won due to a fluke.

I personally believe only 5-10% the voting population at most would rise up in such a civil war, the issue is not us losing, but rather, the crises following after, as even uprisings like that have caused long-term major issues even when they were crushed quickly.

Rise up and get crushed before they'd even get out of their driveway. Probably a drone will do them in by their mailboxes. You and your kids actually gonna go and die for this stupid idea?

[Ifreann]

2044?? In 1866 nobody could foresee the details of the Industrial Revolution and the vast wealth accumulated by America by 1896. Or that the Republicans would sell out African Americans in the Compromise of 1877 for a lousy presidential election. You can't make these predictions and not sound silly.

I wanted to say that if we followed along this path-which I see as likely-then that is likely, and I dunno if either side will compromise.

Studying Right Wing Sites and Youtubers-very popular ones-show lots of people helping each other prepare for a 2nd civil war to fight the democrats, advice, etc., threats, etc.

After right wing terrorist attacks I don't dismiss it as I once did.

That people claim to be preparing for a civil war doesn't mean there will actually be a civil war. More likely those people will just commit terrorist attacks. Even more likely they'll just talk shit online and build a pointlessly big gun collection.

[Telconi]

Ha ha. Funny. An American person in America.

Francis Gary Powers. U-2 plane shot down in the USSR - 1960. An American in a Soviet prison doing hard labor for 2 years. He was punished for disobeying the Soviet Union's airspace.

I'm not denying Trump won due to a fluke.

I personally believe only 5-10% the voting population at most would rise up in such a civil war, the issue is not us losing, but rather, the crises following after, as even uprisings like that have caused long-term major issues even when they were crushed quickly.

Rise up and get crushed before they'd even get out of their driveway. Probably a drone will do them in by their mailboxes. You and your kids actually gonna go and die for this stupid idea?

Thanks for the unnecessary history lesson, I know who Francis Gary Powers was, what's your point?

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Francis Gary Powers. U-2 plane shot down in the USSR - 1960. An American in a Soviet prison doing hard labor for 2 years. He was punished for disobeying the Soviet Union's airspace.



Rise up and get crushed before they'd even get out of their driveway. Probably a drone will do them in by their mailboxes. You and your kids actually gonna go and die for this stupid idea?

Thanks for the unnecessary history lesson, I know who Francis Gary Powers was, what's your point?

You asked for the lesson. You got it. The point was made. Don't throw your life away for stupid reasons.

[Telconi]

Thanks for the unnecessary history lesson, I know who Francis Gary Powers was, what's your point?

You asked for the lesson. You got it. The point was made. Don't throw your life away for stupid reasons.

I don't recall asking for pointless information.

Reasons which are or aren't stupid are entirely subjective.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

I wanted to say that if we followed along this path-which I see as likely-then that is likely, and I dunno if either side will compromise.

Studying Right Wing Sites and Youtubers-very popular ones-show lots of people helping each other prepare for a 2nd civil war to fight the democrats, advice, etc., threats, etc.

After right wing terrorist attacks I don't dismiss it as I once did.

That people claim to be preparing for a civil war doesn't mean there will actually be a civil war. More likely those people will just commit terrorist attacks. Even more likely they'll just talk shit online and build a pointlessly big gun collection.

That's right and you can see that even from your porch in Ireland!

[Telconi]

That people claim to be preparing for a civil war doesn't mean there will actually be a civil war. More likely those people will just commit terrorist attacks. Even more likely they'll just talk shit online and build a pointlessly big gun collection.

That's right and you can see that even from your porch in Ireland!

People dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent, says the guy who lives in a nation formed by people dissatisfied with their government doing something violent.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

That's right and you can see that even from your porch in Ireland!

People dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent, says the guy who lives in a nation formed by people dissatisfied with their government doing something violent.

Is this some violence worshipping gun toting poetry you recite while hunting down critters in rural GA?

[Telconi]

People dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent, says the guy who lives in a nation formed by people dissatisfied with their government doing something violent.

Is this some violence worshipping gun toting poetry you recite while hunting down critters in rural GA?

I don't worship violence, don't recite poetry, and have never been to rural Georgia...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Rise up and get crushed before they'd even get out of their driveway. Probably a drone will do them in by their mailboxes. You and your kids actually gonna go and die for this stupid idea?

>actually believing this nonsense

lol

[Booga Booga Booga]

Is this some violence worshipping gun toting poetry you recite while hunting down critters in rural GA?

I don't worship violence, don't recite poetry, and have never been to rural Georgia...

Alabama got yellow jacket supernests. They livin inside this old car. Those bad bugs git some violence done if you near them.

https://weather.com/science/environment ... in-alabama

[Ifreann]

That's right and you can see that even from your porch in Ireland!

People dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent, says the guy who lives in a nation formed by people dissatisfied with their government doing something violent.

Are you illiterate or something?

[Northern Davincia]

The Soviet Union was never the threat our own countrymen are.

But we the people didn't know that at the time. We believed the Better Dead than Red propaganda provided by the government, other institutions and the media. Yet we still avoided the catastrophe.

The propaganda was true, though. Still is.

[Telconi]

People dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent, says the guy who lives in a nation formed by people dissatisfied with their government doing something violent.

Are you illiterate or something?

You're asking rather a person can write in response to their written post?

[Ifreann]

Are you illiterate or something?

You're asking rather a person can write in response to their written post?

I am, because evidently you did not read my post, and I can only assume that this is because you have some kind of difficulty with reading, because surely if you could read then you would have read my post before suggesting that I believe that people dissatisfied with their government won't do anything violent. And if you had read my post then you would know that I very explicitly said that there would not be a civil war, BUT there may be terrorist attacks.

And terrorist attacks are, definitionally, violent.

So you should understand that I was saying that some people dissatisfied with their government will be violent, though there will be more people who are dissatisfied with their government who will not actually do any violence, and it is my belief that what acts of violence there are will not rise to the level of a civil war.

[Tarsonis]

Buttigieg’s fear mongering is contagious is see

I predicted it before him.

So you were full of crap before him. Weird flex but okay

[Tarsonis]

I'm predicting this as someone who's specialized in studying the causes, situations around civil wars, geopolitics which influences it, etc.

I'm reasonably confident due to my studies.

This is what happens when an autodidact believes their own nonsense. K

[Tarsonis]

I'm predicting this as someone who's specialized in studying the causes, situations around civil wars, geopolitics which influences it, etc.

I'm reasonably confident due to my studies.

You're 19 you haven't studied a thing with the kind of vigor you think.

Shush, we’re not allowed to point that out. Apparently it’s mean.