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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 10:04 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Weld/Roosevelt 2020


Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2020. Honestly, would he really be any worse than where we are now?


He could, he could also be better, the range of Camacho policies straddle those of our current administration.
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Sidesh0w B0b
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Weld/Roosevelt 2020


Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2020. Honestly, would he really be any worse than where we are now?


Worse than we are now? Hard to imagine that. Wait a minute. There's one guy. The Pharma Bro... Martin Shkreli.

Luckily, he's in a federal prison over in NJ for at least the next 6 years.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 am

Martin Shkreli/Felicity Huffman - 2028

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 13, 2019 11:19 am

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Gormwood wrote:So if the Republicans encourage Russian aid through neglecting cybersecurity in 2020 how are they getting punished? Rules are only as good as they can get enforced.

Well, a few ways. First of all, the platforms that were exploited last time have taken measures of their own regardless of how congress or Trump acts. Second, we're more aware of the tactics used. You can't use a trick after you know how it works, not as well at least. Can they still manufacture both sides of a rally to stir unrest? Sure. There's always a fish for the hook. But it won't be as effective a second time around. Third, the DNC can up its own security. The leak happened after someone opened an email link for fuck's sake. Don't do that. Finally, they can keep it in the conversation and highlight the Republican's lack of action on it.

But whatever they do, they should absolutely not undermine any effort to stop it by asking someone else to do the same fucking thing on their behalf.

Fortunately, no one in the party with any modicum of power or influence would suggest this as it's bonkers.

Seriously? The dems got phished?
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 13, 2019 11:21 am

Oh, good, found the new thread.
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Postby Tobleste » Mon May 13, 2019 11:51 am

Satuga wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
2) He's underwater approval-wise in the three states that carried him to victory, the Dems just need to nominate someone not disastrously unpopular, which should be fine for several of the top contenders in the primary.


He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


The mass media's 'bias' against his stupidity and incompetence has probably cost him some support (thankfully).
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 11:53 am

Tobleste wrote:
Satuga wrote:
He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


The mass media's 'bias' against his stupidity and incompetence has probably cost him some support (thankfully).


He isn't good with a twitter account. We can all agree on that. (I am using this as a placeholder so I can find this thread in the future.)
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Postby Gormwood » Mon May 13, 2019 11:54 am

Tobleste wrote:
Satuga wrote:
He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


The mass media's 'bias' against his stupidity and incompetence has probably cost him some support (thankfully).

Most of his devoted base are people who think Alex Jones Male Supplements work.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon May 13, 2019 12:17 pm

Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 12:18 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.


*alarm clock goes off*

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Nea Byzantia
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 13, 2019 12:19 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.

Image

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 12:22 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.

Image


Hmmm.... his pizza definitely sucks.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Mon May 13, 2019 12:24 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:
Image


Hmmm.... his pizza definitely sucks.


Not the only thing that sucks about him...

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Postby Valrifell » Mon May 13, 2019 12:24 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.


Him winning by a large margin is very divorced from reality. I'd love to be the smug one for once if he loses, but I'll forget by then.

So you win this round.
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Sidesh0w B0b
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 1:10 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Hmmm.... his pizza definitely sucks.


Not the only thing that sucks about him...


Strange now that I think of all the products he's endorsed... there weren't any Trump vacuum cleaners. Maybe the idea of "clean" didn't test market well with the name.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Then who would lead the country? And who would decide who leads the country?


Nobody and nobody. We're going full anarcho-anarchist now. It'll be better than having non-stop 24/7 election news.


I told you guys a barrage of nukes followed by the asteroid belt crapping on us then a black hole whizzing by and sucking the remains would be preferable to this mistake... or yours.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:23 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.


Of the electoral vote? Possible.

Of the popular vote? Ha. Hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:27 pm

Satuga wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
2) He's underwater approval-wise in the three states that carried him to victory, the Dems just need to nominate someone not disastrously unpopular, which should be fine for several of the top contenders in the primary.


He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Mon May 13, 2019 1:34 pm

Duhon wrote:
Satuga wrote:
He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?


If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:35 pm

Duhon wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Remember dems. Try not to be shocked when Trump is reelected by a large margin.


Of the electoral vote? Possible.

Of the popular vote? Ha. Hahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Luckily only the first one matters.
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Impaled Nazarene
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon May 13, 2019 1:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Then who would lead the country? And who would decide who leads the country?


Nobody and nobody. We're going full anarcho-anarchist now. It'll be better than having non-stop 24/7 election news.

I'm reporting you for pornographic content. 8)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon May 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Satuga wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
2) He's underwater approval-wise in the three states that carried him to victory, the Dems just need to nominate someone not disastrously unpopular, which should be fine for several of the top contenders in the primary.


He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump

By reporting on the things he says and does?
Satuga wrote: during and after the presidency.

A little early for that, but I like where you're going. We too are in a hurry for it to be 'after' his presidency.
Satuga wrote: As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media.

Bwahahahaha!
Satuga wrote: Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore.

Holy shit, something true. But, the poison that's been poured into that well is starting to thin out.
Satuga wrote: Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.

I also support your idea of a primary challenger for Trump.
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Sidesh0w B0b
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 13, 2019 1:39 pm

Duhon wrote:
Satuga wrote:
He most likely lost some approval ratings due to the mass media, which is also a big factor in the presidential race, as all mainstream media aside from fox news desperately tried to smear Trump during and after the presidency. As well as the ever growing racial divide that is caused by the mainstream media. Luckily it might not be as influential as the majority of the population do not trust the mainstream media anymore. Though all we can really do is wait and see what the democratic or republican candidates are like.


What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?


Plus those media guys are working for a paycheck, signed by someone. They wanna keep their phony baloney jobs just like all those GOP congressman. They're slaves to the billionaire set the lot, i tell you. All of them.

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Duhon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Duhon » Mon May 13, 2019 1:40 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Duhon wrote:
What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?


If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.


If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?

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Telconi
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Telconi » Mon May 13, 2019 1:41 pm

Duhon wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.


If Trump doesn't want derisive media coverage 24/7, then maybe he shouldn't inspire derision? Maybe he shouldn't make shit, make shit up, fling shit? You know, be a normal president with normal responsibilities, be an advocate for democracy, be not a fucking doubleplus crook?


Inspiring derision is what presidents do.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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