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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287
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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:21 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Did Harris just mom the panel?

There's no way she didn't have that one in the chamber ready to go when necessary.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:21 pm

Harris rising above the rest to soar.

Also hitting a trap question with abolishing.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:22 pm

Well, she's getting a second chance to pitch her transition thing.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:22 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Did Harris just mom the panel?

Holy shit.

Harris doing great.


Well, as a former prosecutor, she's an attack dog so...

Also, I haven't heard a peep from Williams. Where art thou Williams??
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:22 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, she's getting a second chance to pitch her transition thing.

Transitioning from public option to totally public healthcare would be a good idea.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:23 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Did Harris just mom the panel?

There's no way she didn't have that one in the chamber ready to go when necessary.

Well, if you're coming up with a way to come out of a cluster fuck on top it was a pretty good one.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:24 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, she's getting a second chance to pitch her transition thing.

Transitioning from public option to totally public healthcare would be a good idea.

It's a realistic approach to how it would actually have to happen.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Luna Amore
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Postby Luna Amore » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:24 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:There's no way she didn't have that one in the chamber ready to go when necessary.

Well, if you're coming up with a way to come out of a cluster fuck on top it was a pretty good one.

I don't like Harris, but yes, she played that card perfectly.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:24 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Holy shit.

Harris doing great.


Well, as a former prosecutor, she's an attack dog so...

Also, I haven't heard a peep from Williams. Where art thou Williams??


Yang isn't getting enough time, tbh. Does anyone else think so?
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monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Which makes me doubt your aptitude for office

Which studying policies and how subtle differences caused drastically different results.

It is you who seems to not understand nuances of policy.


Like I said, delusional is not a good color on you
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Holy shit.

Harris doing great.


Well, as a former prosecutor, she's an attack dog so...

Also, I haven't heard a peep from Williams. Where art thou Williams??

Maybe she'll pop out later.
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:25 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Yang isn't getting enough time, tbh. Does anyone else think so?

Same.

Yang gang gang gang
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Yang isn't getting enough time, tbh. Does anyone else think so?

Same.


I mean, I'm watching the debate for entertainment purposes, tbh. This is better than professional wrestling!
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm

Well Bernie your analysis of the Health care industry is the first correct thing you’ve said.
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm

Bernie Sanders pulling anecdotes, but I don't know whether he'll abolish the private option immediately.
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:27 pm

Frankly that's the only actual answer. Collective action gets the goods.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Like I said, delusional is not a good color on you

Ok, freight train.
EDIT: Way of calling you without nuance.



C for efforts, F for execution..
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:27 pm

Hey, she lives! And sickness care system? Da faq?
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“Has ambition so eclipsed principle?” ~ Mitt Romney
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:28 pm

What the hell is that accent?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:28 pm

I mean, she's been spinning around the question like a goddamn beyblade, but she's talking.
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Political Compass Results:

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:What the hell is that accent?


Are you talking about the guy talking rn?
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What the hell is that accent?

Texan to me.

On behalf of Texas, we disown that shit
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.
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Cannot think of a name
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Ok, freight train.
EDIT: Way of calling you without nuance.



C for efforts, F for execution..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B35vsgBzMh4
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What the hell is that accent?

Texan to me.


Texican
NS Keyboard Warrior since 2005
Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like
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The South Falls
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:30 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I mean, she's been spinning around the question like a goddamn beyblade, but she's talking.

She's making it a bigger question.

I mean, that is a tactic, but it's one that is subject to the thought of "you aren't actually addressing the question at hand here"
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.
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