2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Vetalia]

To be fair, hispanics are, though.

They aren't either, though.

[The South Falls]

To be fair, hispanics are, though.

They aren't either, though.

The major reporting categories (if we're going into technicalities) are: Hispanic/Latino, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Black or African American, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, White, and two or more races.

[Liberated American Provinces]

I've seen many of trumps supporters already switching over to the yang side, and considering what country and era we live in, yang's promise of 1000 a month would probably convince 75% of Americans to vote for him

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

His website is full of policies. A lot them are pretty well thought out and could win more right leaning voters like myself who aren't sold on UBI.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Biden brags about his relationships with white supremacists and promises the donor class that "nothing will fundamentally change" if he is elected: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06 ... gationists

The more I read about Biden's past the more I hope he doesn't get the Democratic nomination.

Sounds like you've had it in for him from the start. You gonna vote for Donald Trump if he gets the nomination? Sit out the election, or what?

Meanwhile Trump "opened" his campaign in Orlando like it was still 2016.

The noticeable nasty T-shirts too many of the attendees adorned had slogans such as "Trump 202: Fuck your feelings" and "Make Liberals Cry Again." Sick.

When did insecure Donald Trump ever stop campaigning?

*The Trump baby blimp floats on by*

Point taken.

[Nakena]

Today is Juneteenth, and that of course means Biden has to wax poetic about his days working with Dixiecrats: https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-on-racist-colleague-he-never-called-me-boy-153400998.html

I do understand what he was trying to say, people who disagree on everything still have to try to work together, but this really wasn't the way to do it. Not in an incredibly diverse primary field and not so close to today of all days, especially.

Well everyone knew about Biden's history before. So its not really news.

[The South Falls]

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

His website is full of policies. A lot them are pretty well thought out and could win more right leaning voters like myself who aren't sold on UBI.

Many democratic candidates share those positions. While it may not win many right-wing voters like yourself, UBI is yang's differentiation method.

[Nakena]

His website is full of policies. A lot them are pretty well thought out and could win more right leaning voters like myself who aren't sold on UBI.

Many democratic candidates share those positions. While it may not win many right-wing voters like yourself, UBI is yang's differentiation method.

Yang is among the popular candidates of the 4chan hivemind, which has a good detection for political trends.

[The South Falls]

Many democratic candidates share those positions. While it may not win many right-wing voters like yourself, UBI is yang's differentiation method.

Yang is among the popular candidates of the 4chan hivemind, which has a good sense for political trends.

Hey, I can't say I disagree with them on that one.

[Farnhamia]

I'm sure by now we've all been drowning in the various news reports on professional nice guy Joe Biden, who has decided that the best way to defeat trump is to be his total opposite. Uncle Joe has made the decision to be as bipartisan as possible, the only issue being that he won't even stand against the other side when they cross moral lines. It was bad enough when he called dick Cheney a decent guy, but this time our favorite senior citizen went farther than he ever went before in being offensive and a nice guy at the same time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... MZN#page=2

To give you the cliffnote version of what the article stated, biden reminisced over civility in government between the pro and anti segregation sides and called for civility in the modern era between the far right and far left. While I of course support peaceful discussion and civil discourse when possible, sometimes the other side is just wrong ladies and gentlemen. I never thought I would say this but radical centrism does exist and it's when you think there is never a good and bad side, or even lesser of evils. Biden is annoying me in the sense that he's drawing the dichotomy as being either you become antifa and throw water balloons full of urine at Sargon of Akkad or you meet with neo nazis and ask them how we can compromise so all parties are happy. No Joe, sometimes the other side is truly shit. The pro segregation senators were pieces of shit, not some guys who kinda disagreed on a small issue. Dick Cheney is responsible for a war that claimed the lives of 3000 Americans and 200000 iraqis, destabilizing the middle East even more. Sometimes you just gotta be honest and say the bad guys were bad. The racists were racist, the sociopaths were murderous. This isn't just a disagreement. Democrats, if this is the best you can do, I'm blaming you for when the Orange man is reelected. Get some new candidates, your best one still sucks.I

So what are your thoughts on the article NSers? Any particular views you wanna share?

My thought? We have a thread on the 2020 campaigns and we don't need a new one every time a candidate says something.

[Sybil and the Sybillettes]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

Joe Biden's son Beau died of cancer in May 2015. His death ended any chance Joe had of running in 2016.

This out of context mentioning of curing cancer is the cheapest of cheap shots. Naturally uttered from the shrill mouth of the Trump namesake child (Donald Jr.), thus proving once again he is a chip off the old blockhead.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics ... index.html

[Kowani]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

https://bidencancer.org/
Seriously people, basic fucking research.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

This out of context mentioning of curing cancer is the cheapest of cheap shots. Naturally uttered from the shrill mouth of the Trump namesake child (Donald Jr.), thus proving once again he is a chip off the old blockhead.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics ... index.html

Insecure Donald and his Demon Seed have no shame.

[South Odreria]

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

https://bidencancer.org/
Seriously people, basic research.

Even if he actually did find a cure for cancer, it would be useless to those who don't have money. Yet he says M4A is "unrealistic."

If/when Biden quits, we get a Warren vs Sanders contest where people can just vote for who they prefer and not worry about "voting strategically" or "dividing the progressive vote." Harris will pick up a few delegates in the deep south, and walk away happy as a bigger figure in the senate.

Some people genuinely want Biden. I'm not one of them, but pretending that only the candidates you like have genuine support is ridiculous.

I didn't say no one supports Biden. According to RealClearPolitics, about 30% of likely primary voters do. A month ago it was 40%. What will it be next month? Next year?

Dream on or whatever it is you do.

Repeatedly polls are showing the number one priority most Dems seek in their 2020 nominee is the ability to defeat Trump. That means an electoral college defeat. The bigger, the better. Biden, the fighter, won't be quitting.

Yes, Biden is the most electable against slimy Trump just as Bob Dole was the most electable against slimy Clinton. Mondale lost. Bob Dole lost. Hillary Clinton lost. Joe Biden will lose. He cannot beat Trump. The more people see him the less they like him, which is why he wisely avoids campaigning. The exceptions to that are the disasters we're talking about right now. Biden is leading Trump in the polls by the same margin Mondale led Reagan in 84. Even if Biden won, which is unlikely, we would get someone way worse than Trump in 2024 after Biden changes nothing and the economy goes downhill. Ordinary people are in open revolt against our country's corrupt and unfair economic system, and we can either enact social democratic reforms, or we can elect Joe "Paul von Hindenburg" Biden and get an actual fascist next time.

[Nakena]

Yang is among the popular candidates of the 4chan hivemind, which has a good sense for political trends.

Hey, I can't say I disagree with them on that one.

Tulsi Gabbard is another favorite.

Trump chances in 2020 depend much on the democrats now and their performance. His own voter base is solidified anyways.

[Major-Tom]

Has there ever been a president who was a confirmed or suspected coke user while in office? I know it's been heavily rumored that Dubya partook in the nose beers in his youth, but not sure once he entered politics.

Also, I find it weird that Obama was actually a fairly frequent cigarette smoker. You never say many pictures of it.

I mean, Kennedy was fucked up on amphetamines a good portion of the time and Nixon was often so out of it after 9PM that his aides would try to control him from doing something asinine. I'm sure we've had a President who has partaken in some heavy drugs, given our presidential history.

[South Odreria]

Has there ever been a president who was a confirmed or suspected coke user while in office? I know it's been heavily rumored that Dubya partook in the nose beers in his youth, but not sure once he entered politics.

Also, I find it weird that Obama was actually a fairly frequent cigarette smoker. You never say many pictures of it.

I mean, Kennedy was fucked up on amphetamines a good portion of the time and Nixon was often so out of it after 9PM that his aides would try to control him from doing something asinine. I'm sure we've had a President who has partaken in some heavy drugs, given our presidential history.

Clinton maybe did cocaine at some point, JFK maybe did LSD.

[Farnhamia]

I mean, Kennedy was fucked up on amphetamines a good portion of the time and Nixon was often so out of it after 9PM that his aides would try to control him from doing something asinine. I'm sure we've had a President who has partaken in some heavy drugs, given our presidential history.

Clinton maybe did cocaine at some point, JFK maybe did LSD.

President Lincoln observed, "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues."

[Scomagia]

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

His website is full of policies. A lot them are pretty well thought out and could win more right leaning voters like myself who aren't sold on UBI.

The thing is that people have to go look. No one needs to go look at Biden's site to know where he stands on abortion, for instance. All I've heard Yang talk about is UBI.

[Tarsonis]

Clinton maybe did cocaine at some point, JFK maybe did LSD.

President Lincoln observed, "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues."

Pretty astute observation

[Zurkerx]

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP IS A RACIST? HE IS NOT. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HARM.

>says he wants to stop debt being added
>wants to spend a massive amount of money on a useless wall

Bruh

Trump has only added to the debt so the argument of "ebil wellfare debt adding" doesnt work here.

Remember when Republicans complained about trillion dollar deficits? Good times. Hmm, and we'll have a trillion dollar deficit this year and likely next year. Did Obama get spray tan or something?

At this point, I doubt anyone will fix our debt for us.

[Ngelmish]

https://bidencancer.org/
Seriously people, basic research.

Even if he actually did find a cure for cancer, it would be useless to those who don't have money. Yet he says M4A is "unrealistic."

Some people genuinely want Biden. I'm not one of them, but pretending that only the candidates you like have genuine support is ridiculous.

I didn't say no one supports Biden. According to RealClearPolitics, about 30% of likely primary voters do. A month ago it was 40%. What will it be next month? Next year?

Dream on or whatever it is you do.

Repeatedly polls are showing the number one priority most Dems seek in their 2020 nominee is the ability to defeat Trump. That means an electoral college defeat. The bigger, the better. Biden, the fighter, won't be quitting.

Yes, Biden is the most electable against slimy Trump just as Bob Dole was the most electable against slimy Clinton. Mondale lost. Bob Dole lost. Hillary Clinton lost. Joe Biden will lose. He cannot beat Trump. The more people see him the less they like him, which is why he wisely avoids campaigning. The exceptions to that are the disasters we're talking about right now. Biden is leading Trump in the polls by the same margin Mondale led Reagan in 84. Even if Biden won, which is unlikely, we would get someone way worse than Trump in 2024 after Biden changes nothing and the economy goes downhill. Ordinary people are in open revolt against our country's corrupt and unfair economic system, and we can either enact social democratic reforms, or we can elect Joe "Paul von Hindenburg" Biden and get an actual fascist next time.

Knocking the electability argument (which IS, I will willingly concede, a stupid heuristic that means only what each individual wants it to mean) to insinuate that... Bernie Sanders (probably, you can correct me if I'm wrong on your preference) is actually the most, or more, electable is just silly. Your calculus for supporting the candidate of your choice is either partly based on your perception of their electability or it isn't.
Also, Mondale, Dole et al didn't lose elections because they were supposedly "the most electable." That isn't how elections work. Also, friendly reminder that sometimes candidates who lead in polls win elections. Nixon did it. Clinton did it. W did it. Obama did it.

[Major-Tom]

Even if he actually did find a cure for cancer, it would be useless to those who don't have money. Yet he says M4A is "unrealistic."


I didn't say no one supports Biden. According to RealClearPolitics, about 30% of likely primary voters do. A month ago it was 40%. What will it be next month? Next year?



Yes, Biden is the most electable against slimy Trump just as Bob Dole was the most electable against slimy Clinton. Mondale lost. Bob Dole lost. Hillary Clinton lost. Joe Biden will lose. He cannot beat Trump. The more people see him the less they like him, which is why he wisely avoids campaigning. The exceptions to that are the disasters we're talking about right now. Biden is leading Trump in the polls by the same margin Mondale led Reagan in 84. Even if Biden won, which is unlikely, we would get someone way worse than Trump in 2024 after Biden changes nothing and the economy goes downhill. Ordinary people are in open revolt against our country's corrupt and unfair economic system, and we can either enact social democratic reforms, or we can elect Joe "Paul von Hindenburg" Biden and get an actual fascist next time.

Knocking the electability argument (which IS, I will willingly concede, a stupid heuristic that means only what each individual wants it to mean) to insinuate that... Bernie Sanders (probably, you can correct me if I'm wrong on your preference) is actually the most, or more, electable is just silly. Your calculus for supporting the candidate of your choice is either partly based on your perception of their electability or it isn't.
Also, Mondale, Dole et al didn't lose elections because they were supposedly "the most electable." That isn't how elections work. Also, friendly reminder that sometimes candidates who lead in polls win elections. Nixon did it. Clinton did it. W did it. Obama did it.

Anecdotally, I don't see much actual enthusiasm for Biden. His lead, in part, appears to derive from name recognition and the idea that he's a "safe bet."

Not that he "can't win" with all of that, but it doesn't help his odds.

[Major-Tom]

Anecdotally, I don't see much actual enthusiasm for Biden. His lead, in part, appears to derive from name recognition and the idea that he's a "safe bet."

Not that he "can't win" with all of that, but it doesn't help his odds.

That is largely why I endorsed him Trump makes me fear for our future.

The best we can hope for is that Dems unite behind their standard-bearer, regardless of whether or not they're the "perfect candidate."

[Ngelmish]

Knocking the electability argument (which IS, I will willingly concede, a stupid heuristic that means only what each individual wants it to mean) to insinuate that... Bernie Sanders (probably, you can correct me if I'm wrong on your preference) is actually the most, or more, electable is just silly. Your calculus for supporting the candidate of your choice is either partly based on your perception of their electability or it isn't.
Also, Mondale, Dole et al didn't lose elections because they were supposedly "the most electable." That isn't how elections work. Also, friendly reminder that sometimes candidates who lead in polls win elections. Nixon did it. Clinton did it. W did it. Obama did it.

Anecdotally, I don't see much actual enthusiasm for Biden. His lead, in part, appears to derive from name recognition and the idea that he's a "safe bet."

Not that he "can't win" with all of that, but it doesn't help his odds.

I don't necessarily dispute that; for myself Biden is, of the serious major contenders (assuming nobody actually unqualified breaks through) my second to last choice and I really would prefer it if he were not the nominee.

But it's disingenuous to claim that "electability" is meaningless to oppose some candidates and turn around and argue, "But my favorite candidate is the most electable," to say nothing of the flat our wrong reading of presidential electoral history. I'd take less exception to South Odreria's posts if he confined his argument to the part that is both an actual argument and that he cares about: We need social democratic policy reforms, it's a moral imperative even if it turns out to be risky, and he thinks that the politics actually aren't that risky. The rest is white noise.

[Aureumterra]

If the Dems. goal was to avoid the kiddie table that the GOP 2016 primaries were, they’ve certainly done a bad job at it