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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:28 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And if judges disagree then your opinion is invalid. We enshrined Roe into law in New York this year as result of the State Senate flipping last year. Elections have consequences.

Indeed, they have consequences, but the Supreme Court won't be affected in the same way state governments are. If Roe v. Wade is overruled, your opinion is invalid.

And abortion will still be safe and legal in New York if Roe is overturned

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:32 am

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Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed, they have consequences, but the Supreme Court won't be affected in the same way state governments are. If Roe v. Wade is overruled, your opinion is invalid.

And abortion will still be safe and legal in New York if Roe is overturned

I love how you seem to think Abortion is a winning issue for the Dems after the incident with Virginia.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:37 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And abortion will still be safe and legal in New York if Roe is overturned

I love how you seem to think Abortion is a winning issue for the Dems after the incident with Virginia.

What incident? Is the PBS poll wrong or biased somehow?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed, they have consequences, but the Supreme Court won't be affected in the same way state governments are. If Roe v. Wade is overruled, your opinion is invalid.

And abortion will still be safe and legal in New York if Roe is overturned

I didn't state anything to the contrary. If it can be turned over to the states, so be it.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:39 am

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Indeed, they have consequences, but the Supreme Court won't be affected in the same way state governments are. If Roe v. Wade is overruled, your opinion is invalid.

And abortion will still be safe and legal in New York if Roe is overturned


Yeah, rooting it our of blue states will be harder.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:39 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:I love how you seem to think Abortion is a winning issue for the Dems after the incident with Virginia.

What incident? Is the PBS poll wrong or biased somehow?


Support for the ability to have an Abortion, and support for unlimited access to abortions are two different things. Despite the Democrats pretending the two are one and the same for ages.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:58 am

Any states with Pot on the ballot this year?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:03 am

Tarsonis wrote:Any states with Pot on the ballot this year?


At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:12 am

Shrillland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Any states with Pot on the ballot this year?


At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.


Sounds like a ploy by farmers to corner the market
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:15 am

Shrillland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Any states with Pot on the ballot this year?


At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.


Growing it at all, or in certain amounts?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:24 am

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.


Growing it at all, or in certain amounts?


Both say growing it at all. I-1659 simply bans it and labels it a Class C Felony, while I-1670 goes several steps further by punishing landlords and property owners with life imprisonment for derelict screening of tenants who grow marijuana and derelict screening of terrorists. It also makes funneling drug money to terrorists a crime punishable by life imprisonment....even though terrorist organisations aren't really in the marijuana business preferring to work with heroin instead.

In case you're wondering, I haven't put them in the misc. thread for this year because they haven't been put on the ballot yet.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:26 am

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Growing it at all, or in certain amounts?


Both say growing it at all. I-1659 simply bans it and labels it a Class C Felony, while I-1670 goes several steps further by punishing landlords and property owners with life imprisonment for derelict screening of tenants who grow marijuana and derelict screening of terrorists. It also makes funneling drug money to terrorists a crime punishable by life imprisonment....even though terrorist organisations aren't really in the marijuana business preferring to work with heroin instead.

In case you're wondering, I haven't put them in the misc. thread for this year because they haven't been put on the ballot yet.


Gotta love progress. "Pot is legal to smoke now guys, but if you grow it your landlord goes to prison forever"
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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:26 am

Shrillland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Any states with Pot on the ballot this year?


At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.




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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:28 am

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Growing it at all, or in certain amounts?


Both say growing it at all. I-1659 simply bans it and labels it a Class C Felony, while I-1670 goes several steps further by punishing landlords and property owners with life imprisonment for derelict screening of tenants who grow marijuana and derelict screening of terrorists. It also makes funneling drug money to terrorists a crime punishable by life imprisonment....even though terrorist organisations aren't really in the marijuana business preferring to work with heroin instead.

In case you're wondering, I haven't put them in the misc. thread for this year because they haven't been put on the ballot yet.

Holy hysteria Batman.

What, so their premise is that it's terrorists that are growing pot in their walk-in closets in the Washington suburbs and not white dudes with dreadlocks and beat up Subarus?

I'm inclined to agree with whoever, this sounds like big farms getting rid of the little guy. Fuck that noise.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:39 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
At the moment, no. Ohio does have an initiative going through the petition stage right now, but that'll be some time before we know how that goes. Washington state also has two identical initiatives, I-1659 and I-1670, that would ban growing marijuana in residential zones, they are also still in the petition stage.




We've met Big Agra, say hello to Big Pot.

Research some cannabis stocks. Their performance will amaze you. You may as well make some money from it. This was predicted in John Brunner's 1968 novel Stand On Zanzibar, where the tobacco companies got into the marijuana business, with slogans like "Ask 'The Man Who's Married to Mary Jane'."
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:51 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, I just realized that if Trump loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but retains the remaining States he won, he loses.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/ww8b4

And reportedly, Trump told aides to deny internal polling showed him trailing Biden. This was polling that was leaked earlier in the year if I remember correctly.

He will likely lose Pennsylvania against Biden but Michigan and Wisconsin are going to be tough battleground states.


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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:41 am

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Maineiacs wrote:


We've met Big Agra, say hello to Big Pot.

Research some cannabis stocks. Their performance will amaze you. You may as well make some money from it. This was predicted in John Brunner's 1968 novel Stand On Zanzibar, where the tobacco companies got into the marijuana business, with slogans like "Ask 'The Man Who's Married to Mary Jane'."




Great! Now if I just had any money to invest; in that or anything else... :(
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:03 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Research some cannabis stocks. Their performance will amaze you. You may as well make some money from it. This was predicted in John Brunner's 1968 novel Stand On Zanzibar, where the tobacco companies got into the marijuana business, with slogans like "Ask 'The Man Who's Married to Mary Jane'."




Great! Now if I just had any money to invest; in that or anything else... :(


Eh they don’t perform that well. The boom is over for the time being.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Zurkerx wrote:So, I just realized that if Trump loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, but retains the remaining States he won, he loses.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/ww8b4

And reportedly, Trump told aides to deny internal polling showed him trailing Biden. This was polling that was leaked earlier in the year if I remember correctly.


He's scared to death of Joe Biden. PA and MI are going for Biden. Wisconsin doesn't look good for Trump either. A ballot for Biden is the true anti-Trump vote bc it represents the best chance to end his presidency.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:54 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:He will likely lose Pennsylvania against Biden but Michigan and Wisconsin are going to be tough battleground states.


Wisconsin will be tougher but I do see him losing Michigan and Pennsylvania: after all, he did win both States by a combined total of 1% (PA he won by .7%, MI was .3%). Wisconsin though he only won by about .7% too so they'll be close.


If Trump were to win WI in that scenario he's have to hold every other state. Losing any other state would defeat him. Imagine the irony if that state somehow was Utah. Mitt Romney would laugh his ass off.

More likely to be NC where Biden leads by +12 in latest polling.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:06 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Wisconsin will be tougher but I do see him losing Michigan and Pennsylvania: after all, he did win both States by a combined total of 1% (PA he won by .7%, MI was .3%). Wisconsin though he only won by about .7% too so they'll be close.


If Trump were to win WI in that scenario he's have to hold every other state. Losing any other state would defeat him. Imagine the irony if that state somehow was Utah. Mitt Romney would laugh his ass off.

More likely to be NC where Biden leads by +12 in latest polling.

Arizona is likely to be competitive as well and that has to do with Maricopa County. Its not the conservative stronghold it once was.

I dont see a scenario where Utah flips unless there is a strong third party candidate there.
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Postby South Odreria » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:20 pm

With some more (good/bad) luck, Trump could realistically be competitive in Virginia. If Dems continue to ignore the existence of Hispanic humans, Nevada or even New Mexico could come into play.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:23 pm

South Odreria wrote:With some more (good/bad) luck, Trump could realistically be competitive in Virginia. If Dems continue to ignore the existence of Hispanic humans, Nevada or even New Mexico could come into play.

What are you smoking? Virginia is rapidly going blue.

New Mexico is no longer competitive and Nevada is following in its footsteps.

Hispanic voters nearly caused an upset in Texas last year
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
South Odreria wrote:With some more (good/bad) luck, Trump could realistically be competitive in Virginia. If Dems continue to ignore the existence of Hispanic humans, Nevada or even New Mexico could come into play.

What are you smoking? Virginia is rapidly going blue. New Mexico is no longer competitive and Nevada is following in its footsteps.

Hispanic voters nearly caused an upset in Texas last year


By what metric?
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