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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:53 pm

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Ugh, oh goodie.

Her and Gabbard...bleh.

delet this
Gabbard is the best of the Dems and you know it.
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:08 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Ugh, oh goodie.

Her and Gabbard...bleh.


They're not particularly equivalent

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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:33 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
They're not particularly equivalent

Gillibrand cuz duh, Gabbard cuz obvious reasons.

Real convincing argument, that.
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Ngelmish
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
They're not particularly equivalent

Gillibrand cuz duh, Gabbard cuz obvious reasons.


And I'm pointing out that your "duh" and "obvious reasons" are pointing to completely different things that are supposedly disqualifying, which makes it a bit odd to lump them together.


Unless you're implying that they're the only candidates you're irrevocably opposed to.

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Ngelmish
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:42 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
And I'm pointing out that your "duh" and "obvious reasons" are pointing to completely different things that are supposedly disqualifying, which makes it a bit odd to lump them together.


Unless you're implying that they're the only candidates you're irrevocably opposed to.

Well yall know my feelings bout them. Thought it was thus obvious.


Ironically, most of Gabbard's backers would agree with you on Gillibrand. That's part of what makes it such an odd flex.

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Thuzbekistan
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:50 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:God I hate NSG and this thread is why. How many times am I going to read about the same argument over and over by people who dont listen to each other, post in bad faith, and sound like a broken record. Its dumb.

But oh well. I was looking over the candidates again and the leaders arent left enough for me. I want a libertarian social Democrat. Give me my guns, freedom, and take care of the poor!


*COUGHS*

I'M RIGHT HERE! :lol:

Noice. Where you running?
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Noice. Where you running?

For City Council.

It's a start. :p

Yeah but local elections is the way all parties have to start. Is it in Memphis tn? If not, all I can do is wish you luck
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:04 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Yeah but local elections is the way all parties have to start. Is it in Memphis tn? If not, all I can do is wish you luck

You could still legally donate iirc, Portland OR.


Does Portland work by district? Or is it at large?
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Neither should environmental recovery come at the expense of everything we hold dear if it can be avoided. You and people like you are contributing to making it an either or issue while I want to fight for the environment and the rights of others.

And yet again I ask what good will they do when our children inherit a ruined world?

What good will our rights do for our children?

Well I guess they could inherit abworld worth improving but we’d only get to that point if you refuse to concede. So get to conceding.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:06 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And yet again I ask what good will they do when our children inherit a ruined world?

What good will our rights do for our children?

Well I guess they could inherit abworld worth improving but we’d only get to that point if you refuse to concede. So get to conceding.

From a numerical standpoint, it’s more effective for the right to concede than the left. Just in the interest of time.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:What good will our rights do for our children?

Well I guess they could inherit abworld worth improving but we’d only get to that point if you refuse to concede. So get to conceding.

From a numerical standpoint, it’s more effective for the right to concede than the left. Just in the interest of time.


But I'd prefer to look at it from a moral standpoint.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:What good will our rights do for our children?

Well I guess they could inherit abworld worth improving but we’d only get to that point if you refuse to concede. So get to conceding.

From a numerical standpoint, it’s more effective for the right to concede than the left. Just in the interest of time.

Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:12 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:From a numerical standpoint, it’s more effective for the right to concede than the left. Just in the interest of time.

Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.


B-But they gotta retain the gun grabber votes.
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.


B-But they gotta retain the gun grabber votes.

Tbh you’d think that they’d eventually want to garner some of that gun owner vote. Gun owners fucking show up at the ballot.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:13 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:From a numerical standpoint, it’s more effective for the right to concede than the left. Just in the interest of time.

Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.

Ah. So, guns trump everything for you.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.

Ah. So, guns trump everything for you.


I mean, they're pretty important.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:16 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Telconi wrote:
B-But they gotta retain the gun grabber votes.

Tbh you’d think that they’d eventually want to garner some of that gun owner vote. Gun owners fucking show up at the ballot.


Yeah, I doubt there are very many people who are Democrats solely based on desire to fuck over gun owners.
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah but it wouldn’t work out for me or my values.

So from my standpoint, it’d be better for the Dems to drop this one singular issue so that I finally have nothing to lose from opposing the Republicans.

Ah. So, guns trump everything for you.

No. But here’s what I figure. The US isn’t the only force in the world working in saving the planet. There’s no reason why we have to be the hero in order for things to not go to shit.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ah. So, guns trump everything for you.

No. But here’s what I figure. The US isn’t the only force in the world working in saving the planet. There’s no reason why we have to be the hero in order for things to not go to shit.

Yes. Clearly China and India are going to start real soon-oh, wait, they have. Should probably get on that. Those who do the most damage are going to have to clean up the most.
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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:No. But here’s what I figure. The US isn’t the only force in the world working in saving the planet. There’s no reason why we have to be the hero in order for things to not go to shit.

Yes. Clearly China and India are going to start real soon-oh, wait, they have. Should probably get on that. Those who do the most damage are going to have to clean up the most.

Looks like they are.
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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:36 pm

Kowani wrote:
Ors Might wrote:No. But here’s what I figure. The US isn’t the only force in the world working in saving the planet. There’s no reason why we have to be the hero in order for things to not go to shit.

Yes. Clearly China and India are going to start real soon-oh, wait, they have. Should probably get on that. Those who do the most damage are going to have to clean up the most.

So what you’re saying is that this is already being taken care of?

Look, I don’t disagree that the US contributing could do a lot of good. However, I am fully capable of advocating for both that and my own values. The Republicans have always been shit, they’re useful idiots for getting something I want protected the proper protections. All the Dems have to do to make the Republicans completely useless in my eyes is to stop engaging in their particular brand of bullshit.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:36 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes. Clearly China and India are going to start real soon-oh, wait, they have. Should probably get on that. Those who do the most damage are going to have to clean up the most.

So what you’re saying is that this is already being taken care of?

Look, I don’t disagree that the US contributing could do a lot of good. However, I am fully capable of advocating for both that and my own values. The Republicans have always been shit, they’re useful idiots for getting something I want protected the proper protections. All the Dems have to do to make the Republicans completely useless in my eyes is to stop engaging in their particular brand of bullshit.

It doesn't hurt that being green is becoming trendy in the US all by itself.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:37 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes. Clearly China and India are going to start real soon-oh, wait, they have. Should probably get on that. Those who do the most damage are going to have to clean up the most.

Looks like they are.

The point that I badly articulated was that America should probably step it up, too.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Looks like they are.

The point that I badly articulated was that America should probably step it up, too.


It isn't like we have a different planet to save.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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