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Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 4:44 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
There's several threads for Clinton too. But they are now locked bc it's sort of a grave digging thing. Get over Hillary, will you?

I’ve been over Clinton for years. I wasn’t the one who brought her up. I’m just informing you that there’s a thread for Iran

Oh thank you so much!
But you know damn well what I was doing. Let me paraphrase it, make it simpler for you: That sword cuts both ways.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:15 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.

So when are the Republicans nominating a Teddy Roosevelt 2.0?

Probably when the Dems get themselves another Kennedy.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:22 pm**

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There’s a thread where we can discuss the stupidity of invading Iran, this isn’t that thread

There's several threads for Clinton too. But they are now locked bc it's sort of a grave digging thing. Get over Hillary, will you?

Thuzbekistan wrote:
while some events are more relevant than others, I'm glad that you see that events have cause and effect and sometimes influence elections years afterward.

I'm glad you're glad. Finally, a ray of hope.

Why should we "get over" Hillary? She was a very bad candidate and the ghost of her defeat by trump will haunt the democrats.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:25 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:So when are the Republicans nominating a Teddy Roosevelt 2.0?

Probably when the Dems get themselves another Kennedy.

They already have one

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:31 pm**

Nakena wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Probably when the Dems get themselves another Kennedy.

They already have one

Implying Joe 3 is useful for anything.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:38 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
Aclion wrote:No I mean a major war is the only way the democrats can avoid a pounding.

Um no. The democrats aren’t really going to get pounded if 2018 is anything to go by

2018 isn't anything to go by. Midterms usually go against the president's party, for example Democrats lost 63 seats in the first midterm under Obama. He still got reelected with a thumping majority. That's normal, the president's party is at an advantage when he runs for election, since he doesn't have to deal with a primary he can concentrate on mobilizing the party.

Trump has the additional advantages that the last few years have been pretty good for people, that the Democrats are going to have an extremely contentious primary, that his party is unifying while his opponents are so torn any candidate can't help but alienate some of them and the the Mueller investigation blew up in the Democrat's face.

So long as Trump avoids any major wars, doesn't have any serious scandals and the economy keeps humming along(particularly important; so long as the rust belt recovery holds up)he should be able to keep the white house, and win the popular vote this time to boot. And there's a good chance Republicans can ride his coattails to retake the house as well(given they only need to pick up two seats).

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:50 pm**

Aclion wrote:and the the Mueller investigation blew up in the Democrat's face.

This is literally right-wing wishful thinking, most data points I've seen indicate the public really wants to see the full unredacted report and deeply cares about that kinda stuff.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 5:53 pm**

Aclion wrote:So long as Trump avoids any major wars, doesn't have any serious scandals and the economy keeps humming along(particularly important; so long as the rust belt recovery holds up)he should be able to keep the white house, and win the popular vote this time to boot. And there's a good chance Republicans can ride his coattails to retake the house as well(given they only need to pick up two seats).

Anyway, this is also wishful thinking. Trump is currently mired in major scandal by refusing to comply with the investigations prompted by Congress, leading to feuds with the other branches of government which is like, a super bad look. His approval in the Rust Belt is also worse off then when he started and I'm unsure what kind of significant recovery you're referring to in the Rust Belt.

Also Reps are down 38 seats for a majority so I literally have no idea what two seats you're talking about.

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 6:51 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Aclion wrote:So long as Trump avoids any major wars, doesn't have any serious scandals and the economy keeps humming along(particularly important; so long as the rust belt recovery holds up)he should be able to keep the white house, and win the popular vote this time to boot. And there's a good chance Republicans can ride his coattails to retake the house as well(given they only need to pick up two seats).

Anyway, this is also wishful thinking. Trump is currently mired in major scandal by refusing to comply with the investigations prompted by Congress, leading to feuds with the other branches of government which is like, a super bad look. His approval in the Rust Belt is also worse off then when he started and I'm unsure what kind of significant recovery you're referring to in the Rust Belt.

Also Reps are down 38 seats for a majority so I literally have no idea what two seats you're talking about.

I heard they were breeding super-representatives who weigh 20 times as much as a regular one. They'd count as 20 seats ... or maybe need 20 seat, I forget, so that way ... *runs away*

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 10:59 pm**

There's now one Republican in Congress who thinks Trump should be impeached after reading the Mueller Report.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... -and-begin

Posted: **Mon May 20, 2019 11:12 pm**

Blargoblarg wrote:There's now one Republican in Congress who thinks Trump should be impeached after reading the Mueller Report.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... -and-begin

He'll be primaried of course and the other reindeer are still too scared of talking bad about Donnie.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 12:57 am**

The corporate media outlets apparently want people to think that it's bad that Bernie was against the US's support of the Contras in Nicaragua, and that he was against the Vietnam War, and that he voted against the Iraq War. I think the fact that he was against all those wars is a good thing.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... ie-fo.html

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 2:17 am**

Blargoblarg wrote:The corporate media outlets apparently want people to think that it's bad that Bernie was against the US's support of the Contras in Nicaragua, and that he was against the Vietnam War, and that he voted against the Iraq War. I think the fact that he was against all those wars is a good thing.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... ie-fo.html

That's because the corporate media is pushing the agenda of the military industrial complex, especially now when war profiteers are so close now they can taste the blood to be spilled in Venezuela and Iran. They'll get it if Trump is reelected, they'll get it with Biden, they may very well get it with Harris too, hard to say. But Bernie Sanders is resistant to starting another war of aggression, so he's an enemy, which is why during election season, when you put on MSNBC and CNN and they're talking about Sanders, you can't tell them apart from Fox News.

We're facing a perfect storm for another war. On one side you have Trump, a fake populist and conman who ran on 'no more stupid wars' now fully under the influence of neocons like Pompeo and Bolton. And you have plenty of Democrats on board the war train too. And worst of all, there won't be nearly as much opposition from Democrats and liberals this time around, because millions of liberals have been turned into warmongers by Russiagate.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:10 am**

Aclion wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Um no. The democrats aren’t really going to get pounded if 2018 is anything to go by

2018 isn't anything to go by. Midterms usually go against the president's party, for example Democrats lost 63 seats in the first midterm under Obama. He still got reelected with a thumping majority. That's normal, the president's party is at an advantage when he runs for election, since he doesn't have to deal with a primary he can concentrate on mobilizing the party.

Trump has the additional advantages that the last few years have been pretty good for people, that the Democrats are going to have an extremely contentious primary, that his party is unifying while his opponents are so torn any candidate can't help but alienate some of them and the the Mueller investigation blew up in the Democrat's face.

So long as Trump avoids any major wars, doesn't have any serious scandals and the economy keeps humming along(particularly important; so long as the rust belt recovery holds up)he should be able to keep the white house, and win the popular vote this time to boot. And there's a good chance Republicans can ride his coattails to retake the house as well(given they only need to pick up two seats).

You dont call defying congressional subpoena's a major scandal? Its a terrible look and givers the impression he thinks he a is a dictator or king.

What rust belt recovery are you talking about?

Its very doubtful he wins the popular vote and what two seats are you talking about? Republicans would have to gain 18 seats to take the majority and I doubt they will.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 8:57 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Aclion wrote:2018 isn't anything to go by. Midterms usually go against the president's party, for example Democrats lost 63 seats in the first midterm under Obama. He still got reelected with a thumping majority. That's normal, the president's party is at an advantage when he runs for election, since he doesn't have to deal with a primary he can concentrate on mobilizing the party.

Trump has the additional advantages that the last few years have been pretty good for people, that the Democrats are going to have an extremely contentious primary, that his party is unifying while his opponents are so torn any candidate can't help but alienate some of them and the the Mueller investigation blew up in the Democrat's face.

So long as Trump avoids any major wars, doesn't have any serious scandals and the economy keeps humming along(particularly important; so long as the rust belt recovery holds up)he should be able to keep the white house, and win the popular vote this time to boot. And there's a good chance Republicans can ride his coattails to retake the house as well(given they only need to pick up two seats).

You dont call defying congressional subpoena's a major scandal? Its a terrible look and givers the impression he thinks he a is a dictator or king.

What rust belt recovery are you talking about?

Its very doubtful he wins the popular vote and what two seats are you talking about? Republicans would have to gain 18 seats to take the majority and I doubt they will.

They’re pretty Fast to be Furious about it

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 9:11 am**

Tarsonis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You dont call defying congressional subpoena's a major scandal? Its a terrible look and givers the impression he thinks he a is a dictator or king.

What rust belt recovery are you talking about?

Its very doubtful he wins the popular vote and what two seats are you talking about? Republicans would have to gain 18 seats to take the majority and I doubt they will.

They’re pretty Fast to be Furious about it

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 9:21 am**

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
They’re pretty Fast to be Furious about it

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

So ignoring Congressional subpoenas is okay as long as you think they’re politically motivated. Fascinating.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 9:22 am**

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
They’re pretty Fast to be Furious about it

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

Fox News and Pals strike again. Lies and propaganda. My mother bought all that crap (not the guns).

Meanwhile, Trump Begs Merrick Garland to Keep His Financial Lies Private

Yes. Merrick Garland, President Obama's former SCOTUS nominee who never got a hearing from Mitch McConnell will hear the appeal of Judge Amit P. Mehta ruling in favor of compliance with regard to the House Oversight Committee’s demands for Trump's financial records. Hee hee hee.

Today's poll of the Dem's primary race shows former Vice President Joe Biden leading second place challenger VT Senator Bernie Sander by 20 points, 39% - 19%.

Trump won't like that either.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 3:34 pm**

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:Meanwhile, Trump Begs Merrick Garland to Keep His Financial Lies Private

Yes. Merrick Garland, President Obama's former SCOTUS nominee who never got a hearing from Mitch McConnell will hear the appeal of Judge Amit P. Mehta ruling in favor of compliance with regard to the House Oversight Committee’s demands for Trump's financial records. Hee hee hee.

You'd think that Donald Trump, the brilliant businessman, the graduate of the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, would have learned something about reciprocity.

The Donald doesn't want us to see his tax returns or his college transcripts. This is the most insecure man we've ever had as a President.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 6:47 pm**

He hasn't asked to see my tax returns, either. It seems reciprocal, to me.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:28 pm**

So are the democrats still busily attempting to appease and appeal their leftist fringe freak supporters or have they actually come up with a plan on how to win in 2020?

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm**

Nakena wrote:So are the democrats still busily attempting to appease and appeal their leftist fringe freak supporters or have they actually come up with a plan on how to win in 2020?

Nothing yet. Come back to us in July when we've had a couple of debates and heard what they actually want to do.

Posted: **Tue May 21, 2019 7:38 pm**

Ferringinar wrote:He hasn't asked to see my tax returns, either. It seems reciprocal, to me.

Are you running for public office?

Posted: **Wed May 22, 2019 5:48 am**

Thermodolia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
... sigh.

He’s not wrong. She’s a corporate hack who’s to the right of Obama.

Exactly my point. It’s these sort of politicians that destroy my hope for America.

Posted: **Wed May 22, 2019 1:34 pm**

Gormwood wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:There's now one Republican in Congress who thinks Trump should be impeached after reading the Mueller Report.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... -and-begin

He'll be primaried of course and the other reindeer are still too scared of talking bad about Donnie.

Ha! More like growing nose (Pinocchio) than glowing nose (Rudolph the red nose reindeer). I can't see Trump as Santa, unless it's the Futurama version.

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