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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 1:43 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, talking about Hillary Clinton again.

(Image)

I mean, she is legitimately an incredibly terrible person.


... sigh.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon May 20, 2019 1:44 pm

Oh boi, I found my way to the 2016 election thread.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 20, 2019 1:46 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:Oh boi, I found my way to the 2016 election thread.


This happens more often that you'd think or want to think.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon May 20, 2019 1:48 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, talking about Hillary Clinton again.

(Image)

I mean, she is legitimately an incredibly terrible person.


Now for some fun.....who is worse?

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon May 20, 2019 1:50 pm

Shrillland wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:Oh boi, I found my way to the 2016 election thread.


This happens more often that you'd think or want to think.


Oh crap, you even have a countdown in your sig.

Yeah people still haven't moved on, the derangement is real.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2019 1:51 pm

Why are we rehashing the 2016 election again? Can we let this go already?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon May 20, 2019 1:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:Why are we rehashing the 2016 election again? Can we let this go already?


Oh hell no. But Hillary is part of the playbook.
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I mean, she is legitimately an incredibly terrible person.


Now for some fun.....who is worse?


Clinton.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon May 20, 2019 2:11 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This happens more often that you'd think or want to think.


Oh crap, you even have a countdown in your sig.

Yeah people still haven't moved on, the derangement is real.


I've had that countdown for months, and it hasn't gone above 17 days yet.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon May 20, 2019 2:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Now for some fun.....who is worse?


Clinton.


Why?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2019 2:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Clinton.


Why?

Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon May 20, 2019 2:19 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Clinton.


Why?


Stop encouraging this behavior. :p
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 2:38 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Ferringinar wrote:
I haven't seen such a person get elected, since Carter. Nobody wants a wishy-washy president, any more.


What a load of crap.

You prefer a wishy-washy person that can act tough instead?

The B-actor known as President Reagan, let's attack Grenada, right! Then there's Bush 41, *looks at watch* leaves Saddam in power so some day his idiot son has a cheap excuse. Bill Clinton, heh, nothing but a stained jazz player, speaking of wishing for the wash. Bush 43, he got no stra-teegery, no nothing, bail out the banks!
O, then the guy that finally killed Bin Laden. Oh wait that guy wasn't so wimpy considering. Or a Reality TV (fake) star bullshit artist.

Trump is pretty damn wishy-washy. Licking Putin's boots in Helsinki. The whole snuggle-fest with Kim Jong Un. He's pathetic.


I imagine the American Students living abroad in Grenada were happy when the Marines not the Cubans came knocking at their door. Also, you know, we were asked to intervene by the Governer General, so it’s not like Regan woke up one day and decided he wanted to turn Grenada into his private resort,

As for Bush Sr. there was a peace agreement. What’s he supposed to do, go full Targaryen and level Baghdad after they’ve surrendered? Bush also got clean up duty from the Cold War. Who do you think everyone blamed for the end of the Cold War economy? Reagan? Fat chance.

Bill Clinton lies under oath about getting blown in the Oval Office. Sure it could have happened to any one of those cats in Congress, but crime is crime.

Yeah Jr and Cheney pulled the classic American mistake and invaded a country full of people they didn’t understand. The botched it and caused an insurgency.

Obama didn’t have shit to do with catching Bin Laden, those intel chains that found him had taken years to build starting during the bush years. Obama just happened to be the guy in office when they came to fruition. But not for nothing he also approved bailouts, oversaw gun running to the Mexican Cartels and approved far more drone strikes than bush ever did.

But you worry about a fatass with a big mouth.


You sure do pick your heroes and villains .
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon May 20, 2019 3:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Why?

Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office


Oh I suspect she will be a theme.

I doubt he will answer anyway.....
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 3:13 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
What a load of crap.

You prefer a wishy-washy person that can act tough instead?

The B-actor known as President Reagan, let's attack Grenada, right! Then there's Bush 41, *looks at watch* leaves Saddam in power so some day his idiot son has a cheap excuse. Bill Clinton, heh, nothing but a stained jazz player, speaking of wishing for the wash. Bush 43, he got no stra-teegery, no nothing, bail out the banks!
O, then the guy that finally killed Bin Laden. Oh wait that guy wasn't so wimpy considering. Or a Reality TV (fake) star bullshit artist.

Trump is pretty damn wishy-washy. Licking Putin's boots in Helsinki. The whole snuggle-fest with Kim Jong Un. He's pathetic.


I imagine the American Students living abroad in Grenada were happy when the Marines not the Cubans came knocking at their door. Also, you know, we were asked to intervene by the Governer General, so it’s not like Regan woke up one day and decided he wanted to turn Grenada into his private resort,

As for Bush Sr. there was a peace agreement. What’s he supposed to do, go full Targaryen and level Baghdad after they’ve surrendered? Bush also got clean up duty from the Cold War. Who do you think everyone blamed for the end of the Cold War economy? Reagan? Fat chance.

Bill Clinton lies under oath about getting blown in the Oval Office. Sure it could have happened to any one of those cats in Congress, but crime is crime.

Yeah Jr and Cheney pulled the classic American mistake and invaded a country full of people they didn’t understand. The botched it and caused an insurgency.

Obama didn’t have shit to do with catching Bin Laden, those intel chains that found him had taken years to build starting during the bush years. Obama just happened to be the guy in office when they came to fruition. But not for nothing he also approved bailouts, oversaw gun running to the Mexican Cartels and approved far more drone strikes than bush ever did.

But you worry about a fatass with a big mouth.


You sure do pick your heroes and villains .


Oh right. I was a respondent in this conversation. The other guy picked his.

Meanwhile you're the guy that complains about people jumping into his conversations ...and the guy that said he didn't vote for Trump yet seemingly isn't believed. :lol2:

Haven't you heard... there's no more heroes anymore (thanks Hugh Cornwall). Villains? The world's a stage. :p

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 20, 2019 3:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Why?

Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office


The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon May 20, 2019 3:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office


The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.


2016 election thread. Find the link.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 4:27 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I imagine the American Students living abroad in Grenada were happy when the Marines not the Cubans came knocking at their door. Also, you know, we were asked to intervene by the Governer General, so it’s not like Regan woke up one day and decided he wanted to turn Grenada into his private resort,

As for Bush Sr. there was a peace agreement. What’s he supposed to do, go full Targaryen and level Baghdad after they’ve surrendered? Bush also got clean up duty from the Cold War. Who do you think everyone blamed for the end of the Cold War economy? Reagan? Fat chance.

Bill Clinton lies under oath about getting blown in the Oval Office. Sure it could have happened to any one of those cats in Congress, but crime is crime.

Yeah Jr and Cheney pulled the classic American mistake and invaded a country full of people they didn’t understand. The botched it and caused an insurgency.

Obama didn’t have shit to do with catching Bin Laden, those intel chains that found him had taken years to build starting during the bush years. Obama just happened to be the guy in office when they came to fruition. But not for nothing he also approved bailouts, oversaw gun running to the Mexican Cartels and approved far more drone strikes than bush ever did.

But you worry about a fatass with a big mouth.


You sure do pick your heroes and villains .


Oh right. I was a respondent in this conversation. The other guy picked his.

Meanwhile you're the guy that complains about people jumping into his conversations ...and the guy that said he didn't vote for Trump yet seemingly isn't believed. :lol2:

Haven't you heard... there's no more heroes anymore (thanks Hugh Cornwall). Villains? The world's a stage. :p


You’ll notice I didn’t defend Trump only called out your ridiculous and clearly partisan assessment of the last six presidents.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 20, 2019 4:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office


The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.

So when are the Republicans nominating a Teddy Roosevelt 2.0?
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 4:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Can we drop this? Clinton is not irrelevant to the thread. She is not running for office


The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.


Then, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003 under false pretenses (9/11, WMDs etc) that's a pretense for "that party".

Iran, John Bolton, Trump and 120,000 troops on their way... Mmm... kay. Do you want the US involved in another war like that (worse) in the Mideast?

We could talk about that too. But I doubt we'd take Iran easily and further to cross the Black Sea and free the Crimea! Uncle Vladdy sure wouldn't like that.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 20, 2019 4:34 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.


Then, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003 under false pretenses (9/11, WMDs etc) that's a pretense for "that party".

Iran, John Bolton, Trump and 120,000 troops on their way... Mmm... kay. Do you want the US involved in another war like that (worse) in the Mideast?

We could talk about that too. But I doubt we'd take Iran easily and further to cross the Black Sea and free the Crimea! Uncle Vladdy sure wouldn't like that.


while some events are more relevant than others, I'm glad that you see that events have cause and effect and sometimes influence elections years afterward.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 4:35 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The previous actions of a party are relevant to predicting future actions of that party.


Then, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003 under false pretenses (9/11, WMDs etc) that's a pretense for "that party".

Iran, John Bolton, Trump and 120,000 troops on their way... Mmm... kay. Do you want the US involved in another war like that (worse) in the Mideast?

We could talk about that too. But I doubt we'd take Iran easily and further to cross the Black Sea and free the Crimea! Uncle Vladdy sure wouldn't like that.

There’s a thread where we can discuss the stupidity of invading Iran, this isn’t that thread
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 4:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Oh right. I was a respondent in this conversation. The other guy picked his.

Meanwhile you're the guy that complains about people jumping into his conversations ...and the guy that said he didn't vote for Trump yet seemingly isn't believed. :lol2:

Haven't you heard... there's no more heroes anymore (thanks Hugh Cornwall). Villains? The world's a stage. :p


You’ll notice I didn’t defend Trump only called out your ridiculous and clearly partisan assessment of the last six presidents.


What's ridiculous is your characterization of barely a one liner as "an assessment of a president." I didn't write a book here, dude.

You clearly need to re-calibrate your responses to me with some modem of proportionality. :p

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 4:37 pm

Duhon wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I mean, she is legitimately an incredibly terrible person.


... sigh.

He’s not wrong. She’s a corporate hack who’s to the right of Obama.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 4:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Then, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003 under false pretenses (9/11, WMDs etc) that's a pretense for "that party".

Iran, John Bolton, Trump and 120,000 troops on their way... Mmm... kay. Do you want the US involved in another war like that (worse) in the Mideast?

We could talk about that too. But I doubt we'd take Iran easily and further to cross the Black Sea and free the Crimea! Uncle Vladdy sure wouldn't like that.

There’s a thread where we can discuss the stupidity of invading Iran, this isn’t that thread


There's several threads for Clinton too. But they are now locked bc it's sort of a grave digging thing. Get over Hillary, will you?

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Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Then, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003 under false pretenses (9/11, WMDs etc) that's a pretense for "that party".

Iran, John Bolton, Trump and 120,000 troops on their way... Mmm... kay. Do you want the US involved in another war like that (worse) in the Mideast?

We could talk about that too. But I doubt we'd take Iran easily and further to cross the Black Sea and free the Crimea! Uncle Vladdy sure wouldn't like that.


while some events are more relevant than others, I'm glad that you see that events have cause and effect and sometimes influence elections years afterward.


I'm glad you're glad. Finally, a ray of hope. :lol:
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