2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[United States of Devonta]

Either of them.

No, just people I wouldn't vote for. Bill was a bad president whose administration presided over far too much of the creeping authoritarianism we've seen over the past 30 years. I suspect Hillary would have pissed off Russia to the point of no return.

But you implied they committed a crime.

And Moore was a disgusting religious fundamentalist who literally claimed kids do drive by shootings because we teach evolution in schools. Some one that deluded in the head belongs nowhere near government. Not to mention, his views on Muslims in office and etc.

Him being a alleged handsy pedo is just the cherry on top of a shit pie.

[Valrifell]

I wish I could be surprised. I am not. Especially after seeing how many people supported Moore.

Was Moore actually convicted of anything?

He was banned from a mall for oogling kiddos.

[San Lumen]

Was Moore actually convicted of anything?

He was banned from a mall for oogling kiddos.

and many Republicans still voted for a pedophile.

[Tombradyonia]

No, just people I wouldn't vote for. Bill was a bad president whose administration presided over far too much of the creeping authoritarianism we've seen over the past 30 years. I suspect Hillary would have pissed off Russia to the point of no return.

But you implied they committed a crime.

And Moore was a disgusting religious fundamentalist who literally claimed kids do drive by shootings because we teach evolution in schools. Some one that deluded in the head belongs nowhere near government. Not to mention, his views on Muslims in office and etc.

Him being a alleged handsy pedo is just the cherry on top of a shit pie.

I'm just old enough to remember that when the special prosecutor concluded that Whitewater wasn't the scandal that the GOP hoped it was (and that Vince Foster's suicide was exactly that), the GOP (led by Newt G) threw a massive tantrum and demanded another prosecutor. They got another prosecutor (Ken Starr) who came to the same conclusions... so instead the GOP and Starr decided to go with the adultery/lying about sex angle.

Interestingly, the Republicans who went after Clinton for adultery turned out to be a who's who of Republican adulterers (and pederast Dennis Hastert).
In the right wing echo chamber, it doesn't matter that most of the accusations against the Clintons are baseless, what matters is that they fervently believe the accusations are true and get triggered whenever you confront them with the facts.

Facts such as that the Reagan administration was possibly the most corrupt and criminal in history, with one case of actual treason (Iran-Contra, which also was contempt of Congress, an impeachable offense in and of itself, separate from the treason) and let's not forget Beirut (aka Reagan's Benghazi, except this one had 300 dead and not 4).

The same tactics over and over again... they go after some Democrat, endless investigations, hardly ever finding anything but it helps create a perception.

GOP: massive voter fraud!
Right wing echo chamber: massive voter fraud!
GOP led Congressional Committee: we'll investigate
A few months later, they find nothing, Committee quietly disbanded
Right wing echo chamber: there must have been fraud because there was an investigation

Rinse and repeat

[San Lumen]

But you implied they committed a crime.

And Moore was a disgusting religious fundamentalist who literally claimed kids do drive by shootings because we teach evolution in schools. Some one that deluded in the head belongs nowhere near government. Not to mention, his views on Muslims in office and etc.

Him being a alleged handsy pedo is just the cherry on top of a shit pie.

I'm just old enough to remember that when the special prosecutor concluded that Whitewater wasn't the scandal that the GOP hoped it was (and that Vince Foster's suicide was exactly that), the GOP (led by Newt G) threw a massive tantrum and demanded another prosecutor. They got another prosecutor (Ken Starr) who came to the same conclusions... so instead the GOP and Starr decided to go with the adultery/lying about sex angle.

Interestingly, the Republicans who went after Clinton for adultery turned out to be a who's who of Republican adulterers (and pederast Dennis Hastert).
In the right wing echo chamber, it doesn't matter that most of the accusations against the Clintons are baseless, what matters is that they fervently believe the accusations are true and get triggered whenever you confront them with the facts.

Facts such as that the Reagan administration was possibly the most corrupt and criminal in history, with one case of actual treason (Iran-Contra, which also was contempt of Congress, an impeachable offense in and of itself, separate from the treason) and let's not forget Beirut (aka Reagan's Benghazi, except this one had 300 dead and not 4).

The same tactics over and over again... they go after some Democrat, endless investigations, hardly ever finding anything but it helps create a perception.

GOP: massive voter fraud!
Right wing echo chamber: massive voter fraud!
GOP led Congressional Committee: we'll investigate
A few months later, they find nothing, Committee quietly disbanded
Right wing echo chamber: there must have been fraud because there was an investigation

Rinse and repeat

Republicans dont want to govern they merely want to obstruct and make government as small as possible and make the rich richer and increase business profits as much as possible at the expense of everyone else.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh yes, the old "Hillary was totally going to start WW3" lie.

She was anti-Russian to a ridiculous level of extreme.

*shrugs* Because Russia is our bestest buddy? Got evidence for this extremism?

Even then a President who doesn’t like the Russians is still less of threat then a lacky like we have now.

I missed memo when the Cons became friends of the Russians. Is there some weird idea to try and get the Soviets back? The repubs do miss the bogeyman known as the Soviets.

Socialist just doesn’t pack the same kind of fear as the dreaded commies....

[Telconi]

She was anti-Russian to a ridiculous level of extreme.

*shrugs* Because Russia is our bestest buddy? Got evidence for this extremism?

Even then a President who doesn’t like the Russians is still less of threat then a lacky like we have now.

I missed memo when the Cons became friends of the Russians. Is there some weird idea to try and get the Soviets back? The repubs do miss the bogeyman known as the Soviets.

Socialist just doesn’t pack the same kind of fear as the dreaded commies....

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, this is a concept we've applied to the Russians for decades.

You're unfortunately right about the socialism thing. It's a shame we allowed this to happen.

[San Lumen]

Oh yes, the old "Hillary was totally going to start WW3" lie.

She was anti-Russian to a ridiculous level of extreme.

Russia is not our ally and has not been for a long time. Putin is a dangerous evil man who wants to reestablish the Soviet Union.

[Telconi]

She was anti-Russian to a ridiculous level of extreme.

Russia is not our ally and has not been for a long time. Putin is a dangerous evil man who wants to reestablish the Soviet Union.

Which makes it curious that Clinton disliked him so much, different flavors of evil I suppose.

[South Odreria 2]

RKM Research (A- 538): NH: Sanders 29, Biden 21, Warren 17

CNN (A-) and YouGov (B) have Biden continuing to fall while Warren and Sanders continue to rise nationwide. If Biden does poorly tomorrow, it could be the beginning of the end for him.

[San Lumen]

RKM Research (A- 538): NH: Sanders 29, Biden 21, Warren 17

CNN (A-) and YouGov (B) have Biden continuing to fall while Warren and Sanders continue to rise nationwide. If Biden does poorly tomorrow, it could be the beginning of the end for him.

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

[Shrillland]

RKM Research (A- 538): NH: Sanders 29, Biden 21, Warren 17

CNN (A-) and YouGov (B) have Biden continuing to fall while Warren and Sanders continue to rise nationwide. If Biden does poorly tomorrow, it could be the beginning of the end for him.

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

Well, the big test is tomorrow. It'll be her first time against Biden, and I'd like to see how she fares.

[San Lumen]

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

Well, the big test is tomorrow. It'll be her first time against Biden, and I'd like to see how she fares.

as would I. I dont think she is going to make the mistake Harris did.

[Washington Resistance Army]

RKM Research (A- 538): NH: Sanders 29, Biden 21, Warren 17

CNN (A-) and YouGov (B) have Biden continuing to fall while Warren and Sanders continue to rise nationwide. If Biden does poorly tomorrow, it could be the beginning of the end for him.

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

In the primary she surely is a strong candidate, but she won't be nearly as strong in the general if she reaches it imo.

[Zurkerx]

Well, the big test is tomorrow. It'll be her first time against Biden, and I'd like to see how she fares.

as would I. I dont think she is going to make the mistake Harris did.

She's going to attack Biden effectively; she's an attack dog except more precise. However, if Biden can hold up, then while Warren will gain, Biden shall maintain. It will be interesting to say the least.

[San Lumen]

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

In the primary she surely is a strong candidate, but she won't be nearly as strong in the general if she reaches it imo.

Why do you say that?

[South Odreria 2]

RKM Research (A- 538): NH: Sanders 29, Biden 21, Warren 17

CNN (A-) and YouGov (B) have Biden continuing to fall while Warren and Sanders continue to rise nationwide. If Biden does poorly tomorrow, it could be the beginning of the end for him.

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

Stronger than which people think? She is definitely a strong candidate but I think everyone has realized that by now.

[Telconi]

I think Warren is a much stronger candidate then people think and many on the other side are underestimating her at their peril.

In the primary she surely is a strong candidate, but she won't be nearly as strong in the general if she reaches it imo.

That could be amusing.

[Washington Resistance Army]

In the primary she surely is a strong candidate, but she won't be nearly as strong in the general if she reaches it imo.

Why do you say that?

She's, afaik, always polled rather poorly against Trump, he has tons of things he can attack her on in his usual style, she lacks the sort of charisma that candidates usually need etc etc.

[Shrillland]

Why do you say that?

She's, afaik, always polled rather poorly against Trump, he has tons of things he can attack her on in his usual style, she lacks the sort of charisma that candidates usually need etc etc.

Yeah, she does have a John Kerry problem. But she also showed in the last debate that she can be quite combative if the need arises, which is the one thing I was most worried about if she went to the general.

[San Lumen]

She's, afaik, always polled rather poorly against Trump, he has tons of things he can attack her on in his usual style, she lacks the sort of charisma that candidates usually need etc etc.

Yeah, she does have a John Kerry problem. But she also showed in the last debate that she can be quite combative if the need arises, which is the one thing I was most worried about if she went to the general.

I dont think she has that problem at all hence why she is surging in the polls. I would not underestimate her to pull the whole thing off. It would be such karma to see Trump defeated by a woman

[Cannot think of a name]

as would I. I dont think she is going to make the mistake Harris did.

She's going to attack Biden effectively; she's an attack dog except more precise. However, if Biden can hold up, then while Warren will gain, Biden shall maintain. It will be interesting to say the least.

I don't see her as an attack dog, really. She's been steadily growing her campaign based on policy. In her last two appearances she didn't really attack as much as she defined her position. Which is what I think she'll do tomorrow night. She's in a position where she doesn't need to attack, in fact of Biden and Sanders get into it she might come out ahead.

Really for Biden, Warren, and Sanders they all are better off staying safe tomorrow as its' Buttegeig and Harris that have to work the hardest. Biden is still the one who'll get blue shelled by the also rans crowding up the stage, if they wind up in a seven candidate pile up trying to rattle Joe Warren and Sanders can cruise on policy all night long.

[Telconi]

She's, afaik, always polled rather poorly against Trump, he has tons of things he can attack her on in his usual style, she lacks the sort of charisma that candidates usually need etc etc.

Yeah, she does have a John Kerry problem. But she also showed in the last debate that she can be quite combative if the need arises, which is the one thing I was most worried about if she went to the general.

I think she'll have a hard time with Trump, she seems to get flustered and a tad scatterbrained when trying to explain something. And I doubt Trump's antics would make that easier for her.

[South Odreria 2]

Yeah, she does have a John Kerry problem. But she also showed in the last debate that she can be quite combative if the need arises, which is the one thing I was most worried about if she went to the general.

I dont think she has that problem at all hence why she is surging in the polls. I would not underestimate her to pull the whole thing off. It would be such karma to see Trump defeated by a woman

According to RCP, she was at 16% two months ago and is currently at 17%. Not sure how that is "surging." Also, keep in mind that if she stays in the top three for long enough someone will eventually attack her. She has never faced that yet in this campaign, and previously has struggled with it, so we'll see if she's improved any.

[Telconi]

Yeah, she does have a John Kerry problem. But she also showed in the last debate that she can be quite combative if the need arises, which is the one thing I was most worried about if she went to the general.

I dont think she has that problem at all hence why she is surging in the polls. I would not underestimate her to pull the whole thing off. It would be such karma to see Trump defeated by a woman

Only to a sexist.