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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:To make it better.

It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?

I’m speaking in general, not this particular case.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:To make it better.

It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?


Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:09 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?


Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.


We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:16 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.


We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

Hanging chads?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.


We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

Hanging chads?


Aye. Illinois never had any significant problems with them, but after 2000, the state said we had to get rid of them to avoid such a situation happening here, especially considering we did have butterfly ballots up north.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?


Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

I did enjoy the mechanical machines. You felt like you'd done something when you whanged that lever over to register you vote.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:23 pm

In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:23 pm

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No their doesn't. That's why many states came up w/ recount laws after the fact. 500 vote margin is way to small not to do a recount. It was conservatives rapping their arms around conservatives. It was robbery. It was corruption at the highest levels. The law wouldn't of stopped a recall either. It goes bot ways.

It's not robbery if the election was never yours to win. It wasn't corruption either, as the ruling complied with the Equal Protection Clause.


According to the majority opinion? Written by the activist judges? Activism through and through.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:24 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?


Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.

It was Progress for the sake of progress which should be discouraged. There was no reason to replace them.

Farnhamia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

I did enjoy the mechanical machines. You felt like you'd done something when you whanged that lever over to register you vote.


I agree. I remember those. My very first vote was cast on one of them. There would be no issues with voter security if we still had them. Why not bring them back?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.

It was Progress for the sake of progress which should be discouraged.

Wrong.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 pm

Shrillland wrote:In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled
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Postby Blargoblarg » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:01 am

Sanders Unveils Plan to End Cash Bail, Ban Private Prisons, and 'Fundamentally Transform' US Criminal Justice System
"If we stand together, we can eliminate private prisons and detention centers. No more profiteering from locking people up."

Decrying America's status as the "world's leading jailer," Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday released a comprehensive plan to confront the crisis of mass incarceration, end the criminalization of poverty, and dramatically overhaul the U.S. criminal justice system.

"We have a criminal justice system that is racist and broken, and working together we're going to fundamentally transform it," said Sanders, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.

The platform, which Sanders unveiled at an event in Columbia, South Carolina on Sunday, condemns America's "overly-punitive approach to public safety" and urges investments "to rebuild the communities that mass incarceration continues to decimate."

"We have over two million people in jail and prison, more than any other nation on earth, and they are disproportionately African-American, Latino, and Native American," Sanders wrote in an email to supporters on Sunday. "We spend $80 billion a year keeping people behind bars, money which could be used for education, job creation, and affordable housing."
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:51 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

Nothing like a bit of job creation.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:01 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

The UK manages it.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:11 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.


It's not like it would all be coming from one place, it could be a county-by-county thing, and I'm sure a few weirdos would even volunteer for it.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:14 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

If the UK can do it so can we

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

If the UK can do it so can we


The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

Edit: However, a system of full electronics, which then prints out your ballot, is another good way and a compromise I would truly accept.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:31 am

Zurkerx wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If the UK can do it so can we


The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems


Or, we can stay electronic and the ballot machines print out our ballots? I feel this would be an acceptable medium; my State of NJ is considering it.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

So, you’re saying make people use more effort to wait a longer time to be more rushed at voting? No, because you can just not do all of that by getting ballots mailed to your doorsteps. It’s much easier.
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