2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[San Lumen]

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Valerie Plame a former CIA agent who was outed by Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief Of Staff Scooter Libby is running as a Democrat for Congress in New Mexico’s Second district. Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and later pardoned by Trump.
The incumbent Ben Ray Luján is running for Senate. This is a fairly safe district that includes the capital of Santa Fe. Whoever wins the democratic primary will be favored.

[Blargoblarg]

There's another Republican, Mark Sanford, running as a primary challenger to Trump.

[Kowani]

There's another Republican, Mark Sanford, running as a primary challenger to Trump.

He’s got about as much chance as Messam.

[Blargoblarg]

Also, Tom Steyer has qualified for Debate Number Four in October: https://www.yahoo.com/news/tom-steyer-qualifies-october-debate-150136141.html

The only good side I see to this is that there might be a couple nights of debates with less than 10 candidates each night. So maybe in October we'll finally get to see the candidates answer complex questions with a bit more than 30 seconds to a minute to respond.

[Blargoblarg]

There's another Republican, Mark Sanford, running as a primary challenger to Trump.

He’s got about as much chance as Messam.

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if any of the Republicans challenging Trump get close to defeating him in the primaries. Especially since four states have decided to cancel their 2020 Republican presidential primaries.

[Cannot think of a name]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/460531-valerie-plame-shows-off-cia-driving-in-new-campaign-ad%3famp

Valerie Plame a former CIA agent who was outed by Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief Of Staff Scooter Libby is running as a Democrat for Congress in New Mexico’s Second district. Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and later pardoned by Trump.
The incumbent Ben Ray Luján is running for Senate. This is a fairly safe district that includes the capital of Santa Fe. Whoever wins the democratic primary will be favored.

You buried the lead. You didn't tell us that her announcement video was her doing a bootleg reverse in a Camaro to a Texas blues riff.

[Telconi]

He’s got about as much chance as Messam.

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if any of the Republicans challenging Trump get close to defeating him in the primaries. Especially since four states have decided to cancel their 2020 Republican presidential primaries.

They have an incumbent, so it makes sense.

[San Lumen]

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if any of the Republicans challenging Trump get close to defeating him in the primaries. Especially since four states have decided to cancel their 2020 Republican presidential primaries.

They have an incumbent, so it makes sense.

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

[Cannot think of a name]

They have an incumbent, so it makes sense.

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

I mean, it's kind of up to the party. Parties themselves are not government entities, they're just organizations put together to forward candidates that adhere to a general platform. How they organize that is up to them. The two major parties have adopted a primary system but they don't even have to do that. The binding primary wasn't even adopted until after the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Smaller parties don't even bother, more or less just selecting whoever they can find that they think will get that 5% mark.

Primaries really are still what they were when they first started at the turn of the 20th century, a conversation with the party's constituents. If that base is cool with what happens, like the (totally common) cancellation of primaries for an incumbent then game on. If there is a voter's revolt, well, that's the risk. But so far in this case that hasn't been enough of an issue to stop either party from doing so.

[Galloism]

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

I mean, it's kind of up to the party. Parties themselves are not government entities, they're just organizations put together to forward candidates that adhere to a general platform. How they organize that is up to them. The two major parties have adopted a primary system but they don't even have to do that. The binding primary wasn't even adopted until after the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Smaller parties don't even bother, more or less just selecting whoever they can find that they think will get that 5% mark.

Primaries really are still what they were when they first started at the turn of the 20th century, a conversation with the party's constituents. If that base is cool with what happens, like the (totally common) cancellation of primaries for an incumbent then game on. If there is a voter's revolt, well, that's the risk. But so far in this case that hasn't been enough of an issue to stop either party from doing so.

I don’t normally say this, because it’s not normally true, defenders of Trump just say it is, but this is that one time and all that.

This particular controversy is “because trump”. It’s nothing new, nothing surprising, but because it’s trump, it’s the end of the world.

[Cannot think of a name]

I mean, it's kind of up to the party. Parties themselves are not government entities, they're just organizations put together to forward candidates that adhere to a general platform. How they organize that is up to them. The two major parties have adopted a primary system but they don't even have to do that. The binding primary wasn't even adopted until after the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Smaller parties don't even bother, more or less just selecting whoever they can find that they think will get that 5% mark.

Primaries really are still what they were when they first started at the turn of the 20th century, a conversation with the party's constituents. If that base is cool with what happens, like the (totally common) cancellation of primaries for an incumbent then game on. If there is a voter's revolt, well, that's the risk. But so far in this case that hasn't been enough of an issue to stop either party from doing so.

I don’t normally say this, because it’s not normally true, defenders of Trump just say it is, but this is that one time and all that.

This particular controversy is “because trump”. It’s nothing new, nothing surprising, but because it’s trump, it’s the end of the world.

They said it often enough it was bound to be true eventually.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Trump just fired John Bolton

Hmmph.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Today's Morning Consult Poll
Biden 33 - Sanders 21 - Warren 16 - Harris 7 - Butttigieg 5

Everybody else 3% or less.

[Valrifell]

I don’t normally say this, because it’s not normally true, defenders of Trump just say it is, but this is that one time and all that.

This particular controversy is “because trump”. It’s nothing new, nothing surprising, but because it’s trump, it’s the end of the world.

They said it often enough it was bound to be true eventually.

Broken clocks, and all that.

[Telconi]

They have an incumbent, so it makes sense.

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

Probably so.

[San Lumen]

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

Probably so.

yeah how dare we let the people chose who they want

[Telconi]

Probably so.

yeah how dare we let the people chose who they want

Sure thing buddy.

[Shrillland]

...cue the organ music.

[United States of Devonta]

Probably so.

yeah how dare we let the people chose who they want

It's hard to believe Telconi argues in good faith.

[Telconi]

yeah how dare we let the people chose who they want

It's hard to believe Telconi argues in good faith.

Why's that, because I disagree with you?

[Hakons]

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if any of the Republicans challenging Trump get close to defeating him in the primaries. Especially since four states have decided to cancel their 2020 Republican presidential primaries.

They have an incumbent, so it makes sense.

Incumbents should still be able to be challenged. Trump has something like 80% support from Republicans, so it's not like he would lose the primary.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

By that logic if a incumbent governor or senator faces a primary challenge should that primary also be canceled?

Probably so.

Although I hope trump wins both primary and general, I still think anyone who wishes to challenge him in the primaries should have the right to do so. It's anti-democratic to have an assumed winner before the start, and hypocritical in the extreme given this was the same party that attacked the democrats superdelegate system for being undemocratic.

[Telconi]

Probably so.

Although I hope trump wins both primary and general, I still think anyone who wishes to challenge him in the primaries should have the right to do so. It's anti-democratic to have an assumed winner before the start, and hypocritical in the extreme given this was the same party that attacked the democrats superdelegate system for being undemocratic.

I could see the hypocrisy argument, but rather it's undemocratic isn't relevant. The party structure has no obligation to implement a democratic structure.

[Pacomia]

Hadn’t contributed to the thread for a while so here you go

[Valrifell]

Hadn’t contributed to the thread for a while so here you go

Just out of curiosity, do you have other sources to corroborate?