2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Juristonia]

Abusing power*

Also hardly a startling revelation, but still a very different one.
I know the difference doesn't matter to you, but then reality rarely does.

It's debatable as to rather there is a difference.

Only if you're purposely being intellectually dishonest, which is a game you're more than welcome to play with yourself, but not one I'm going to participate in.

[Vassenor]

So is the logic here "it's OK for the Republicans to abuse partisan gerrymandering to keep themselves in power because the Dems totally would too if they had the chance"?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

So is the logic here "it's OK for the Republicans to abuse partisan gerrymandering to keep themselves in power because the Dems totally would too if they had the chance"?

Do you really need to ask that question?

[Cannot think of a name]

So is the logic here "it's OK for the Republicans to abuse partisan gerrymandering to keep themselves in power because the Dems totally would too if they had the chance"?

The whole 'if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be all for it' tact is really the fucking laziest. It's just an invitation to wank and avoid the topic because now you're arguing a bullshit hypothetical like it was a real argument instead of a dodge. Gotta go with WOPR on how to deal with it.

It's not an argument, we shouldn't treat it as one.

[Telconi]

So is the logic here "it's OK for the Republicans to abuse partisan gerrymandering to keep themselves in power because the Dems totally would too if they had the chance"?

It's not a hypothetical, they do have the chance and they do engage in it.

[Gormwood]

So is the logic here "it's OK for the Republicans to abuse partisan gerrymandering to keep themselves in power because the Dems totally would too if they had the chance"?

The whole 'if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be all for it' tact is really the fucking laziest. It's just an invitation to wank and avoid the topic because now you're arguing a bullshit hypothetical like it was a real argument instead of a dodge. Gotta go with WOPR on how to deal with it.

It's not an argument, we shouldn't treat it as one.

Look who made it in the first place.

[Corrian]

Except, as has been pointed out, the GOP has been doing it far more since 2010.

"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.

There are far more cases of Republican gerrymandering than Democrat, and on far worse levels, but some Democratic states definitely are bad.

[Telconi]

"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.

There are far more cases of Republican gerrymandering than Democrat, and on far worse levels, but some Democratic states definitely are bad.

Less in raw number or less in total ratio? Because IIRC Democrats control significantly fewer states than Republicans.

[Shrillland]

There are far more cases of Republican gerrymandering than Democrat, and on far worse levels, but some Democratic states definitely are bad.

Less in raw number or less in total ratio? Because IIRC Democrats control significantly fewer states than Republicans.

22 Republican states to 14 Democratic and 14 divided, and of them, I think only one with a full Democratic roster(my own state) has severe Gerrymandering while Maryland is technically mixed.

[Gormwood]

Less in raw number or less in total ratio? Because IIRC Democrats control significantly fewer states than Republicans.

22 Republican states to 14 Democratic and 14 divided, and of them, I think only one with a full Democratic roster(my own state) has severe Gerrymandering while Maryland is technically mixed.

He'll just say that means both parties are even.

[Telconi]

Less in raw number or less in total ratio? Because IIRC Democrats control significantly fewer states than Republicans.

22 Republican states to 14 Democratic and 14 divided, and of them, I think only one with a full Democratic roster(my own state) has severe Gerrymandering while Maryland is technically mixed.

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

[San Lumen]

22 Republican states to 14 Democratic and 14 divided, and of them, I think only one with a full Democratic roster(my own state) has severe Gerrymandering while Maryland is technically mixed.

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

[Telconi]

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

Your idea of fair is suspect.

[San Lumen]

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

Your idea of fair is suspect.

By your logic if Democrats win it’s unfair

[Shrillland]

22 Republican states to 14 Democratic and 14 divided, and of them, I think only one with a full Democratic roster(my own state) has severe Gerrymandering while Maryland is technically mixed.

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

Tale a look at here in Illinois. At least California's districts are easily delineated and have centralised locations, not like here where we drew a district to look like a pair of earmuffs.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

[Aureumterra]

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

They have split up republican voters into districts where they are just barely outnumbered by Democrats.

Oh but I forgot democrats are innocent little angels who can never engage in corruption

[Telconi]

Your idea of fair is suspect.

By your logic if Democrats win it’s unfair

Can we save the straw men for October?

[Aureumterra]

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

They have split up republican voters into districts where they are just barely outnumbered by Democrats.

Oh but I forgot democrats are innocent little angels who can never engage in corruption

[New haven america]

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

They have split up republican voters into districts where they are just barely outnumbered by Democrats.

Oh but I forgot democrats are innocent little angels who can never engage in corruption

A. That map sucks, because it's not a map of Cali.'s congressional districts, it's a map of the state's counties. And yeah, the eastern counties tend to be more republican, this isn't new information, they also have a fraction of the population of the western side.
B.

[Telconi]

California is pretty bad, I don't k ow what you consider "severe" though.

Tale a look at here in Illinois. At least California's districts are easily delineated and have centralised locations, not like here where we drew a district to look like a pair of earmuffs.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

Laughs in congressional districts 16, 21, 22, and 23.

[Shrillland]

Tale a look at here in Illinois. At least California's districts are easily delineated and have centralised locations, not like here where we drew a district to look like a pair of earmuffs.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

Laughs in congressional districts 16, 21, 22, and 23.

Hey, it's not my fault you guys have two not-large-enough cities that make any Central Valley districts a headache regardless of party.

[San Lumen]

Tale a look at here in Illinois. At least California's districts are easily delineated and have centralised locations, not like here where we drew a district to look like a pair of earmuffs.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

Laughs in congressional districts 16, 21, 22, and 23.

There is this thing called population density. some districts have to be larger to have population equality

[New haven america]

Tale a look at here in Illinois. At least California's districts are easily delineated and have centralised locations, not like here where we drew a district to look like a pair of earmuffs.

That's all I'll say for the moment.

Laughs in congressional districts 16, 21, 22, and 23.

Those districts tend to be pains in the asses of both parties though.

[Cannot think of a name]

California isn’t gerrymandered. The lines are quite fairly drawn. We have a thread on gerrymandering via the North Carolina case

Your idea of fair is suspect.

California has 0.4% efficiency gap.


Sorry, sorry. I cited something instead of just making vague blanket statements. I'll go stand in a corner and think about what I've done.

[Telconi]

Your idea of fair is suspect.

California has 0.4% efficiency gap.


Sorry, sorry. I cited something instead of just making vague blanket statements. I'll go stand in a corner and think about what I've done.

With nine uncontested seats.

And don't be an ass, it doesn't serve.