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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:31 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Millions of Americans agree with you and millions of Americans like myself disagree with you.

That people believe something is not an argument.


This is ultimately the basis of politics though.
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Republic of Penguinian Astronautia
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Postby Republic of Penguinian Astronautia » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:38 am

The worst case scenario for nuclear waste storage at yucca mountain isn't really anything. If it leaks, the leaks can be fixed and its inside a sealed granite mountain. There's really no way to break that. The problem is that it is impossible to stop emitting co2 from power plants without lots of nuclear. Once that problem is solved, we can switch from nuclear to renewables. It's just a temporary fix, as renewables get cheaper and we get more experience integrating them into the grid, we can switch entirely.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:43 am


This should go in the designated thread about this so it’s not lost

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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:36 am

San Lumen wrote:

This should go in the designated thread about this so it’s not lost

lol, Would Democrats want the best Democrat gerrymanderer in states they gerrymander, yes they would, lol.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:53 am

Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This should go in the designated thread about this so it’s not lost

lol, Would Democrats want the best Democrat gerrymanderer in states they gerrymander, yes they would, lol.

Oh, false equivalence.
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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:15 am

Gormwood wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:lol, Would Democrats want the best Democrat gerrymanderer in states they gerrymander, yes they would, lol.

Oh, false equivalence.

You mean Democrats don't gerrymander, lol.
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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:18 am

Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, false equivalence.

You mean Democrats don't gerrymander, lol.

This is about the Republicans wanting a gerrymanderer to work on a new district map. Stop trying to divert with "But the Democrats!"
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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:23 am

Gormwood wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:You mean Democrats don't gerrymander, lol.

This is about the Republicans wanting a gerrymanderer to work on a new district map. Stop trying to divert with "But the Democrats!"

I am not trying to divert anything, So I am making the point that both Republicans and Democrats gerrymander, its called politics on both sides the right and the left they both do it, I am out of this back and forth, over and out Peace, it is now on my sig.
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:25 am

Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:
Gormwood wrote:This is about the Republicans wanting a gerrymanderer to work on a new district map. Stop trying to divert with "But the Democrats!"

I am not trying to divert anything, So I am making the point that both Republicans and Democrats gerrymander, its called politics on both sides the right and the left they both do it, I am out of this back and forth, over and out Peace, it is now on my sig.

Hey now, We're trying to pretend this is a single party issue! Get out of here with your facts.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:30 am

Aclion wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:I am not trying to divert anything, So I am making the point that both Republicans and Democrats gerrymander, its called politics on both sides the right and the left they both do it, I am out of this back and forth, over and out Peace, it is now on my sig.

Hey now, We're trying to pretend this is a single party issue! Get out of here with your facts.


It has been a single party issue since the GOP had more control of the census in 2010. The facts are, as of now, the GOP gerrymanders more and way more egregiously than Democrats.
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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:46 am

Valrifell wrote:
Aclion wrote:Hey now, We're trying to pretend this is a single party issue! Get out of here with your facts.


It has been a single party issue since the GOP had more control of the census in 2010. The facts are, as of now, the GOP gerrymanders more and way more egregiously than Democrats.

Ok fair enough"as of now, the GOP gerrymanders more and way more egregiously than Democrats." and if the Democrats get more control in states, and I hope not, they will do the same thing, it is called politics, they both do it the point I am trying to make, I am not diverting anything, point posted, point made.
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 am

Valrifell wrote:
Aclion wrote:Hey now, We're trying to pretend this is a single party issue! Get out of here with your facts.


It has been a single party issue since the GOP had more control of the census in 2010. The facts are, as of now, the GOP gerrymanders more and way more egregiously than Democrats.

As of now, because even you can't pretend that there's anything stopping Democrats from doing it other then them not having as much power over the process. Obviously you should be voting Libertarian. They don't gerrymander at all.
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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:56 am

Aclion wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It has been a single party issue since the GOP had more control of the census in 2010. The facts are, as of now, the GOP gerrymanders more and way more egregiously than Democrats.

As of now, because even you can't pretend that there's anything stopping Democrats from doing it other then them not having as much power over the process. Obviously you should be voting Libertarian. They don't gerrymander at all.

As should you, no?

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Miami Shores
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Postby Miami Shores » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:45 am

As a proud righty I don't like any of the Democrat candidates they are all leftists, but I think Warren will be the Democrats nominee for President, the question is who will be her Vice nominee, the natural choice would be Bernie Sanders, but I wonder who she would choose.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:59 am

I'm pretty sure most of us here would say both Democrat and Republican gerrymandering is shit.
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:05 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Aclion wrote:As of now, because even you can't pretend that there's anything stopping Democrats from doing it other then them not having as much power over the process. Obviously you should be voting Libertarian. They don't gerrymander at all.

As should you, no?

As if I don't?

Miami Shores wrote:As a proud righty I don't like any of the Democrat candidates they are all leftists, but I think Warren will be the Democrats nominee for President, the question is who will be her Vice nominee, the natural choice would be Bernie Sanders, but I wonder who she would choose.

If warren is chosen I will lmao. Of all the contenders she's probably the least able to tackle Trump. Only thing that would make it harder for her would be to be a man.
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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:25 pm

Corrian wrote:I'm pretty sure most of us here would say both Democrat and Republican gerrymandering is shit.

I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.
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Juristonia
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:03 pm

Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:
Corrian wrote:I'm pretty sure most of us here would say both Democrat and Republican gerrymandering is shit.

I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.

Except, as has been pointed out, the GOP has been doing it far more since 2010.
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Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:07 pm

Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:
Corrian wrote:I'm pretty sure most of us here would say both Democrat and Republican gerrymandering is shit.

I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.

Again with the false equivalence. And switching accounts to try and make it look like you're two different people. That's called puppetwanking.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:07 pm

Juristonia wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.

Except, as has been pointed out, the GOP has been doing it far more since 2010.


"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Except, as has been pointed out, the GOP has been doing it far more since 2010.


"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.

Abusing power*

Also hardly a startling revelation, but still a very different one.
I know the difference doesn't matter to you, but then reality rarely does.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:14 pm

Juristonia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.

Abusing power*

Also hardly a startling revelation, but still a very different one.
I know the difference doesn't matter to you, but then reality rarely does.


It's debatable as to rather there is a difference.
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:16 pm

Juristonia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"The party presently in power is the party which is presently in power" is hardly a startling revelation.

Abusing power*

Also hardly a startling revelation, but still a very different one.
I know the difference doesn't matter to you, but then reality rarely does.

Reality is whatever he wants it to be to score points. Like Donny regarding Alabama.
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Republican President Donald J Trump USA
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Postby Republican President Donald J Trump USA » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:37 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.

Again with the false equivalence. And switching accounts to try and make it look like you're two different people. That's called puppetwanking.

lol no false equivalence, that is what you believe, no puppetwanking, I spend time on many of my nations, you know Republican President Donald J Trump USA is my nation, you know Miami Shores is my nation, you know Greater Miami Shores is my nation, you know La Habana Cuba is my nation, you know Republican President Ronald Reagan of the USA is my nation, I make no secret of it, you know I make no secret of it.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:43 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Republican President Donald J Trump USA wrote:I agree, it is called dirty politics when the right does it and it is called dirty politics when the left does it, and both the right and the left do it.

Again with the false equivalence. And switching accounts to try and make it look like you're two different people. That's called puppetwanking.


"People who gerrymander aren't equivalent to people who gerrymander!"

:roll:
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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