2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Ngelmish]

EDIT: I could be overstating things, but only a little bit at least according to the one whole poll I'm going to look up, where 8% of respondents didn't know who Warren was versus a negligible amount for both Biden and Sanders. So it's still the unremarkable case of the two most recognizable candidates being people's 1 & 2.

Also this poll which last updated on 8/26 still holds that Biden supporters second choice is Sanders and vice versa but with Warren being the second choice of Harris and Buttegieg supporters. And the differences in the Biden/Sanders thing to Warren being @4%, like 30/26 (Sanders) or 26/22 (Biden).

Ah thank you.

Still weird. I'd think the vast majority Sanders/Warren would pick the other as a second.

i don't have the relevant sociological evidence in front of me, but I've seen data that suggests that a plurality of Sanders voters feel burned by Warren's 2016 neutrality, for what that's worth.

[Galloism]

Ah thank you.

Still weird. I'd think the vast majority Sanders/Warren would pick the other as a second.

i don't have the relevant sociological evidence in front of me, but I've seen data that suggests that a plurality of Sanders voters feel burned by Warren's 2016 neutrality, for what that's worth.

Damn it people are petty.

[Blargoblarg]

It doesn't track. First choice for Biden voters is sanders, first choice for Sanders voters is Biden. (I don't get that, but presumably I'm not the average person I guess.)

Sanders is the number one backup for Warren though.

...Sanders supporters prefer Biden over Warren? Huh?

Not this Sanders supporter. My second choice of the ones still running is Gabbard, and Warren is probably my third choice.

[San Lumen]

...Sanders supporters prefer Biden over Warren? Huh?

Not this Sanders supporter. My second choice of the ones still running is Gabbard, and Warren is probably my third choice.

Gabbard is very unlikely to get the nod

[G-Tech Corporation]

EDIT: I could be overstating things, but only a little bit at least according to the one whole poll I'm going to look up, where 8% of respondents didn't know who Warren was versus a negligible amount for both Biden and Sanders. So it's still the unremarkable case of the two most recognizable candidates being people's 1 & 2.

Also this poll which last updated on 8/26 still holds that Biden supporters second choice is Sanders and vice versa but with Warren being the second choice of Harris and Buttegieg supporters. And the differences in the Biden/Sanders thing to Warren being @4%, like 30/26 (Sanders) or 26/22 (Biden).

Ah thank you.

Still weird. I'd think the vast majority Sanders/Warren would pick the other as a second.

To me, Warren reads as significantly less personable than Sanders or Biden. I don’t like her.

[San Lumen]

Ah thank you.

Still weird. I'd think the vast majority Sanders/Warren would pick the other as a second.

To me, Warren reads as significantly less personable than Sanders or Biden. I don’t like her.

why?

[G-Tech Corporation]

To me, Warren reads as significantly less personable than Sanders or Biden. I don’t like her.

why?

Hm. Hard to say. Less genuine? Less passionate? Her lack of whimsical hair or folksy charm is a negative.

[Gormwood]

McConnell: GOP would 'absolutely' fill Supreme Court seat next year

I hope this soulless hypocrisy turns the Democrats ruthless and vicious for years to come.

[Galloism]

Ah thank you.

Still weird. I'd think the vast majority Sanders/Warren would pick the other as a second.

To me, Warren reads as significantly less personable than Sanders or Biden. I don’t like her.

I actually like her a fair bit. She reminds me of a professor I had.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Is it just me or does Andrew Yang seem to be incredibly popular on the Internet but relatively unknown IRL?

[Cannot think of a name]

Is it just me or does Andrew Yang seem to be incredibly popular on the Internet but relatively unknown IRL?

Isn't that weird?

No, it's crazy common to me. The internet tends to do that. It's how it kept convincing itself that Ron and Rand Paul had a chance but when it came time to vote it'd only be a handful of people.

[Telconi]

McConnell: GOP would 'absolutely' fill Supreme Court seat next year

I hope this soulless hypocrisy turns the Democrats ruthless and vicious for years to come.

You're like a decade late to the party there.

[San Lumen]

McConnell: GOP would 'absolutely' fill Supreme Court seat next year

I hope this soulless hypocrisy turns the Democrats ruthless and vicious for years to come.

What a utter hypocrite he is. I hope he loses next year but it’s Kentucky therefore I’m doubtful

[San Lumen]

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In a absolutely huge decision with massive implications for next years election the North Carolina State Trial court has struck down the state legislative maps as partisan gerrymandering running afoul of the state constitution. new maps will likely be in place for next year. Given Democrats have 6-1 majority on the State Supreme Court its unlikely to be overturned.

The state legislature has two weeks to submit a legal map or the court will draw their own. It is very unlikely the US Supreme Court would reverse this ruling as its almost identical to what occurred in Pennsylvania last year.

There is a very real chance both the state house and senate flip next year should new maps be in place

State Senate Leader Phil Berger has said the State GOP will not appeal to the decision tot the State Supreme Court. It cannot be understated what a huge ruling this is and the implications it will have.

[Blargoblarg]

Biden is now claiming that he didn't support the Iraq War when it first started. He's either misremembering his support for that war, or flat-out lying.

[Telconi]

Biden is now claiming that he didn't support the Iraq War when it first started. He's either misremembering his support for that war, or flat-out lying.

He's lying, He's as capable of checking vote records as anyone else, even if he can't recall.

[Pacomia]

Biden is now claiming that he didn't support the Iraq War when it first started. He's either misremembering his support for that war, or flat-out lying.

Or he politically supported it but thought personally it was a dumb idea.

Which makes sense. Politicians do do that, even if they had integrity.

In the debate, he did say he trusted Bush's honesty-poor in hindsight but that's hindsight-so maybe he decided to trust Bush on the matter?

Even good politicians-great ones even-can make that mistake.

To me it sounds like he's poorly trying to convey what I said.

Regardless, he shouldn't be president. The Party is more progressive than he is.

He's tried to evolve with the times-he was elected in the 70's after all-but is now being seen as a flip-flopper.

His time has passed.

I’ve got nothing against his politics or his ideology, but it’s getting harder and harder to support him because it’s becoming clear that he’s not all there in the head. The first few times he misremembered something or said the wrong thing, it was okay and was shrugged off- after all Trump does that too, and what do you expect from someone as old as him, but eventually, it started getting bad, once he went from saying the wrong city name to getting the entirety of a story wrong to forgetting the name of the president he served under for 8 years. He’s just not fit to be president anymore.

[Tombradyonia]

I’ve got nothing against his politics or his ideology, but it’s getting harder and harder to support him because it’s becoming clear that he’s not all there in the head. The first few times he misremembered something or said the wrong thing, it was okay and was shrugged off- after all Trump does that too, and what do you expect from someone as old as him, but eventually, it started getting bad, once he went from saying the wrong city name to getting the entirety of a story wrong to forgetting the name of the president he served under for 8 years. He’s just not fit to be president anymore.

I agree. I can forgive him evolving-to me he seems more like a populist than ideologue explaining his flip-flops-but his political capability has decayed.

When the likely opposition is Trump, I think that it hardly matters at all. Trump has shown almost zero political capability and says and tweets moronic things on a weekly basis, and it doesn't seem to even remotely have hurt his image with his hardcore supporters (the MAGA crowd). This guy literally says one thing one week, and then another the next.

Tariffs on China.
Maybe not.
Tariffs on China.
Maybe not.
Trade war with China.
Maybe not.

Rinse and repeat.

[Yaruqo]

Biden is now claiming that he didn't support the Iraq War when it first started. He's either misremembering his support for that war, or flat-out lying.

In any case, he's had God knows how many debacles, and we haven't even hit Iowa yet. I sincerely hope that he faces an upset, whether it's at a debate or come next year at the caucuses. He's thinking '90's Dem politics when the rest of us are thinking about now and the future.

[Cannot think of a name]

Iiiiiit's climate policy time for the Democrats. Fire up your nitpick machines and blankets statements for...The Plans!

Joe Biden

Former Vice President Joe Biden released his climate change plan earlier this summer, laying out a plan that pledges to go further than President Barack Obama's administration on climate, but is not as sweeping as the Delaware Democrat's more liberal opponents.

Biden's plan would dedicate $1.7 trillion to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, end fossil fuel subsidies and ban new oil and gas permits on public lands. Biden does not outright support the Green New Deal, but his plan does tout the former vice president's support of elements of the plan that has been near universally endorsed by the left of the Democratic Party.

Biden, along with all of his Democratic opponents, supports rejoining the Paris climate accord, a sweeping multi-national climate agreement that President Donald Trump left early in his administration.

"Science tells us that how we act or fail to act in the next 12 years will determine the very livability of our planet," he said. "That's why I'm calling for a clean energy revolution to confront this crisis and do what America does best -- solve big problems with big ideas."

Bernie Sanders

Where Biden's plan was scaled back, Bernie Sanders' plan released in August was massive: The Vermont senator called for $16.3 trillion in spending, comparing the task of combating climate change to a World War II-style mobilization of almost every sector of the economy.

The Sanders proposal's goal of reaching 100% renewable energy for electricity and transportation by 2030 matches the timeframe set by the IPCC, which outlined the dire consequences of global warming -- and what it would take to reverse them --in a 2018 report.
That timeline, however, is significantly faster than many of Sanders' opponents.

Sanders said his plan would create 20 million jobs in the transition away from fossil fuels despite imposing a ban on energy extraction, including fracking and mountaintop coal mining. He would also pursue civil and criminal cases against companies that concealed institutional knowledge of the dangers their products posed to the environment.

"Climate change cannot only be addressed by the United States. It is a global issue," Sanders said last month in Iowa. "But my promise to you is, instead of ignoring this issue as Trump does, I will help lead the world in bringing countries together to address the issue."

Elizabeth Warren

Warren, the other leading progressive hopeful, has made the most explicit overtures to Inslee, adopting on Tuesday significant portions of his plan after the two met.

But the Massachusetts senator has also added her own pieces to the puzzle. In June, as part of a broader economic plan, she proposed spending $2 trillion on green manufacturing, research and development, and the marketing of new technology overseas.

On Tuesday, Warren offered a fuller picture of her climate platform. Her goals -- which would be spurred by an additional $1 trillion -- include reaching zero-carbon emission commercial and residential for new buildings by 2028; zero-carbon emission on new light-duty passenger vehicles, medium-duty trucks and all buses by 2030; and zero-carbon emission and renewable electricity by 2035.

Kamala Harris

California Sen. Kamala Harris released a climate plan on Wednesday which aims for a carbon-neutral US economy by 2045, a more expedited timeline than others. The Democrat's plan touts $10 trillion in public and private spending, but the amount the federal government would spend was not released.

Harris' plan has many of the trademark Democratic climate proposals -- like reversing Trump's actions, investing in zero-emission transportation and carbon-neutral electricity and ending and federal subsidies for the fossil fuel industry -- but her plan also leans into the Climate Equity Act, legislation that she and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez announced earlier this summer that focuses on "frontline communities," those that have experienced systemic socioeconomic disparities.

Harris' plan also harkens back to her time as a prosecutor, especially when she helped California win an $85 million settlement with Volkswagen for cheating on emissions tests for its diesel vehicles. If she becomes President, Harris' plan states, she will increase penalties for companies that violate federal pollution laws and restoring the "polluter pays" model for funding the Superfund program.

Cory Booker

New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, too, uses a more expedited timeline in his climate proposal, aiming to spent $3 trillion to reach carbon neutrality by 2045.

Booker's plan, released on Tuesday, would put money in Americans pocked with a "progressive climate dividend" paid to Americans through new carbon fees placed on fossil fuel producers and would use executive action to undo much of Trump's climate action.
Unlike some candidates, Booker ties combating climate change with a direct focus on minority and vulnerable communities, arguing that those without significant economic means are more directly impacted by the issue.

"We are facing a dual crisis of climate change and economic inequality," Booker said in a statement. "Without immediate action, we risk an incredible human toll from disasters, health impacts, rising national security threats, and trillions of dollars in economic losses."

Julián Castro

Castro was another candidate who tied economic instability and vulnerable communities into his plan to combat climate change. Castro claims that his plan released on Tuesday would lead to $10 trillion in spending on addressing the climate crisis, but the former San Antonio mayor does not explicitly outline total federal spending.

But it is Castro's calls for an increased focus on how climate change most impacts vulnerable communities that set his plan apart. Castro says that within his first 100 days as president he will "propose new civil rights legislation to address the disparate impact of environmental discrimination and dismantle structures of environmental racism."

"The problem is that, like our neighborhoods, pollution is segregated," Castro writes in his proposal, noting a 2007 study that found more than half of the 9 million people living close to hazardous waste were black.

Pete Buttigieg

South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg takes a more technical approach to combating the climate crisis in his plan released on Wednesday.

Buttigieg explicitly outlines how the Department of Defense would take the lead in combating the issue by creating a "Climate Watch Floor" within the department. The plan also creates a new senior climate security role within the Pentagon.

In total, Buttigieg's plan would commit between $1.5 and 2 trillion to combat climate change, a number smaller than his opponents, but his campaign argued on Wednesday that these federal investments would leverage tens of trillions of dollars in private, state and local investments. Buttigieg's plan would also spend an additional $25 billion on climate research and make $5 billion annually available for grants aimed at rural America.

Buttigieg outright supports the Green New Deal and reentering the Paris climate agreement and would add $1 billion to the Low-Income Energy Assistance program, which helps cover bills in times of crisis like a heat wave or extreme cold.

Beto O'Rourke

Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke released earlier this year a plan focused on combatting climate change by spending $1.5 trillion to reform the United States' energy and transportation infrastructure. O'Roruke, who support portions, but not all, of the Green New Deal, says his plan would lead the United States to reach net-zero emissions by 2050 and leverage $5 trillion in investment.

Unlike other opponents, O'Rourke would like to work through Congress to set legally enforceable standards around pollution and emissions, a goal that, while more difficult, would make O'Rourke's proposal more lasting.

O'Rourke said around the release of his plan that a climate change proposal would be "very first bill he sends to Congress."

Amy Klobuchar

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar's plan, released days before the CNN town halls, would reinstate the clean power plant and gas mileage standard rules in her first 100 days as president, thereby repealing actions taken by Trump.

Klobuchar, in a more scaled back proposal and in line with O'Rourke, stresses the need to work through Congress to address the climate crisis, but says she will also "take aggressive executive action to confront" the issue.

Klobuchar's plan also seeks to get the United States to net-zero emissions by 2050, on track with many of her opponents. And like others, Klobuchar doesn't support all of the Green New Deal, but does back elements of the plan in her proposal. But the Minnesota Democrat does support reentering the Paris climate agreement.

Andrew Yang

Businessman Andrew Yang can lay claim to possibly the most unique climate plan in the field.

In his proposal released last week, Yang, an outsider candidate who has qualified for the Democratic debate later this month, has called the federal government to move people living in low-lying and flood prone areas to higher ground, seemingly conceding that rising sea levels cannot be reversed.

Yang also leans on his record as a tech entrepreneur and devotes significant portions of his plan for investment in new technology to combat the crisis, including expensive decarbonization research.

For shits and giggles, instead of quoting this and asking "How do they plan to x" recognize that these are short summaries that don't include all the details and you know...do your own googling and then address their specifics instead of pretending they don't exist.

[Yaruqo]

Iiiiiit's climate policy time for the Democrats. Fire up your nitpick machines and blankets statements for...The Plans!

Andrew Yang

Businessman Andrew Yang can lay claim to possibly the most unique climate plan in the field.

In his proposal released last week, Yang, an outsider candidate who has qualified for the Democratic debate later this month, has called the federal government to move people living in low-lying and flood prone areas to higher ground, seemingly conceding that rising sea levels cannot be reversed.

Yang also leans on his record as a tech entrepreneur and devotes significant portions of his plan for investment in new technology to combat the crisis, including expensive decarbonization research.

Ah yes, because that will go over well. I can see the McConnell ads now: "The Democrats want your guns, and now they'll force you to move!" Sure, the GOP has been incompetent or an accessory when it comes to the climate crisis, but *that* won't sit well.

[Salandriagado]

Biden: too slow.
Sanders: looks good.
Warren: delaying only new zero-emission vehicles until 2030 and expecting total zero carbon by 2035 seems optimistic. Otherwise good.
Harris: too slow.
Booker: too slow.
Castro: a bit light on details, but looks good from what I can see.
Buttigieg: some appeals to free market magic, but otherwise OK.
O'Rourke: Working through Congress is a good idea if they can get it through, but the proposal itself seems decidedly weak.
Klobuchar: weak.
Yang: light on content.

[Cannot think of a name]

Iiiiiit's climate policy time for the Democrats. Fire up your nitpick machines and blankets statements for...The Plans!

Andrew Yang

Businessman Andrew Yang can lay claim to possibly the most unique climate plan in the field.

In his proposal released last week, Yang, an outsider candidate who has qualified for the Democratic debate later this month, has called the federal government to move people living in low-lying and flood prone areas to higher ground, seemingly conceding that rising sea levels cannot be reversed.

Yang also leans on his record as a tech entrepreneur and devotes significant portions of his plan for investment in new technology to combat the crisis, including expensive decarbonization research.

Ah yes, because that will go over well. I can see the McConnell ads now: "The Democrats want your guns, and now they'll force you to move!" Sure, the GOP has been incompetent or an accessory when it comes to the climate crisis, but *that* won't sit well.

My hometown of Sacramento (well...hometown adjacent. It's easier to say that then get into discussions about country songs...) was built on a floodplain. When they discovered this bad idea they just rebuilt the place. When that continued to be a bad idea they came up with a new solution. Rebuild the place on top of the old place.

This doesn't really address Yang's plan. Though his argument isn't so much that this is a good idea as it is that it's inevitable. You can not want to evacuate Miami and New Orleans as much as you want but the ocean is coming either way.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yang is confident he'll be the nominee.

Like my neighbor's chihuahua is confident he'll fuck up that boxer across the street.

[Cannot think of a name]

Like my neighbor's chihuahua is confident he'll fuck up that boxer across the street.

Putting it that way, without thinking about Yang's chance of being the nominee, that makes Yang seem adorable.

It's not untrue...