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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:49 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:There was a slight disconnect between the Reagan administration and the CIA on this one.

Again, how did those nuns violate the NPA?

In the same manner as any civilian harmed in war. It doesn't change anything.
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Postby Miami Shores » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:51 pm

I think Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for President, or Bernie Sanders. I think a Warren Sanders ticket or a Sanders Warren ticket would be the most natural of all the Democrat candidates. They are close personal friends, respect each other very much and share many similar political views.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:51 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Again, how did those nuns violate the NPA?

In the same manner as any civilian harmed in war. It doesn't change anything.

Civilian casualties somehow actively violate the NPA. So rich and creamy.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:02 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Kowani wrote:Wrong. The Reagan government directed the contras to attack civilian targets.


Torture, murder and rape = freedom, libtard.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:07 pm

Miami Shores wrote:I think Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for President, or Bernie Sanders. I think a Warren Sanders ticket or a Sanders Warren ticket would be the most natural of all the Democrat candidates. They are close personal friends, respect each other very much and share many similar political views.

Gabbard for VP or bust.
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Northern Davincia wrote:In the same manner as any civilian harmed in war. It doesn't change anything.

Civilian casualties somehow actively violate the NPA. So rich and creamy.

You're missing the point, civilian casualties in war are inevitable. It's not a matter of civilians doing anything wrong. The fact stands that the contras were fighting against a tyrannical government, one that still imposes its tyranny now.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Civilian casualties somehow actively violate the NPA. So rich and creamy.

You're missing the point, civilian casualties in war are inevitable. It's not a matter of civilians doing anything wrong. The fact stands that the contras were fighting against a tyrannical government, one that still imposes its tyranny now.

So you consider raped and murdered nuns Acceptable Casualties. Funny how the NPA is flexible like Silly Putty when you want it to be.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:17 pm

Galloism wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Fair trials don't result in mass casualties.

Actually they explicitly do - Al Capone was in court being tried several times before the St Valentines Massacre iirc, but they could never pin anything on him.

Then we got him eventually in a fair trial - for tax evasion.

The silence regarding this post is quite telling.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
Galloism wrote:Actually they explicitly do - Al Capone was in court being tried several times before the St Valentines Massacre iirc, but they could never pin anything on him.

Then we got him eventually in a fair trial - for tax evasion.

The silence regarding this post is quite telling.

Doing an end zone dance for a supposed dunk now?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:25 pm

Galloism wrote:
Galloism wrote:Actually they explicitly do - Al Capone was in court being tried several times before the St Valentines Massacre iirc, but they could never pin anything on him.

Then we got him eventually in a fair trial - for tax evasion.

The silence regarding this post is quite telling.

Ugh...fine. It was a pretty big stretch to make a pedantic point, kinda. Certainly not something to be proud of.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:28 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So much for consistency. And nothing fights socialists and communists better than raping nuns.

Since when is it inconsistent for a libertarian to rebel against tyranny? All wars are bound to harm civilians in some capacity, but that does not mean the conflict was intended to harm civilians.

Rebelling against perceived tyranny and engaging in tyranny of your very own is entirely inconsistent and hypocritical of a libertarian to be involved in.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:01 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Wrong. The Reagan government directed the contras to attack civilian targets.

There was a slight disconnect between the Reagan administration and the CIA on this one.

Willful ignorance.
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Postby Miami Shores » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:27 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I think Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for President, or Bernie Sanders. I think a Warren Sanders ticket or a Sanders Warren ticket would be the most natural of all the Democrat candidates. They are close personal friends, respect each other very much and share many similar political views.

Gabbard for VP or bust.
Gormwood wrote:Civilian casualties somehow actively violate the NPA. So rich and creamy.

You're missing the point, civilian casualties in war are inevitable. It's not a matter of civilians doing anything wrong. The fact stands that the contras were fighting against a tyrannical government, one that still imposes its tyranny now.

If it is a Warren Gabbard Democrat ticket, that would be a women women ticket, interestingly historical even if they don't win.

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The Nicaraguan Communist Socialist Sandinista government, was supported by the Democrats at the time, and Bernie Sanders.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:34 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You're missing the point, civilian casualties in war are inevitable. It's not a matter of civilians doing anything wrong. The fact stands that the contras were fighting against a tyrannical government, one that still imposes its tyranny now.

So you consider raped and murdered nuns Acceptable Casualties. Funny how the NPA is flexible like Silly Putty when you want it to be.

It's NAP, not NPA. Regardless, casualties are to be expected even if they are never acceptable.
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Since when is it inconsistent for a libertarian to rebel against tyranny? All wars are bound to harm civilians in some capacity, but that does not mean the conflict was intended to harm civilians.

Rebelling against perceived tyranny and engaging in tyranny of your very own is entirely inconsistent and hypocritical of a libertarian to be involved in.

All tyranny is perceived. Still, Nicaragua enjoyed some freedom until Ortega rolled back in.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:39 pm

I think we'll call this one done. Just a reminder, do try to work in the Democratic primary candidates in a more substantial manner than just, "Bernie Sanders supported the Sandinistas!"
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