2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Shrillland]

To make it better.

It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?

Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

[San Lumen]

It doesn't make it better. It leave our elections vulnerable to hackers and election result changes. why can't we just have paper ballots and count them by hand like in England and we require that the paper be recycled as well?

Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

[Shrillland]

Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

[Kowani]

Because that's too simple for too many people. We must have machines because they're computers. Makes sense? Not one bit, but it's what people think anyway.

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

Hanging chads

[Farnhamia]

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

Hanging chads?

[San Lumen]

Yeah we can never have simple solutions. We have to overcomplicate everything. We had the lever machines. Why couldn't we just keep those and have them print results? There were tamper proof and fraud proof.

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

[Shrillland]

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

Hanging chads?

Aye. Illinois never had any significant problems with them, but after 2000, the state said we had to get rid of them to avoid such a situation happening here, especially considering we did have butterfly ballots up north.

[Shrillland]

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.

[Farnhamia]

We used to have punch cards here...which the state told us to get rid of for obvious reasons. We switched to optical scan ballots afterwards.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

I did enjoy the mechanical machines. You felt like you'd done something when you whanged that lever over to register you vote.

[Shrillland]

In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.

[United States of Devonta]

No their doesn't. That's why many states came up w/ recount laws after the fact. 500 vote margin is way to small not to do a recount. It was conservatives rapping their arms around conservatives. It was robbery. It was corruption at the highest levels. The law wouldn't of stopped a recall either. It goes bot ways.

It's not robbery if the election was never yours to win. It wasn't corruption either, as the ruling complied with the Equal Protection Clause.

According to the majority opinion? Written by the activist judges? Activism through and through.

[San Lumen]

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.

It was Progress for the sake of progress which should be discouraged. There was no reason to replace them.

I don’t understand why we couldn’t just keep the lever machines and mandate them in every state. Why fix what wasn’t broken?

I did enjoy the mechanical machines. You felt like you'd done something when you whanged that lever over to register you vote.

I agree. I remember those. My very first vote was cast on one of them. There would be no issues with voter security if we still had them. Why not bring them back?

[Kowani]

Because, Lumen. It's because we are Americans.

It was Progress for the sake of progress which should be discouraged.

Wrong.

[San Lumen]

In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

[Blargoblarg]

Sanders Unveils Plan to End Cash Bail, Ban Private Prisons, and 'Fundamentally Transform' US Criminal Justice System

"If we stand together, we can eliminate private prisons and detention centers. No more profiteering from locking people up."

Decrying America's status as the "world's leading jailer," Sen. Bernie Sanders on Sunday released a comprehensive plan to confront the crisis of mass incarceration, end the criminalization of poverty, and dramatically overhaul the U.S. criminal justice system.

"We have a criminal justice system that is racist and broken, and working together we're going to fundamentally transform it," said Sanders, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate.

The platform, which Sanders unveiled at an event in Columbia, South Carolina on Sunday, condemns America's "overly-punitive approach to public safety" and urges investments "to rebuild the communities that mass incarceration continues to decimate."

"We have over two million people in jail and prison, more than any other nation on earth, and they are disproportionately African-American, Latino, and Native American," Sanders wrote in an email to supporters on Sunday. "We spend $80 billion a year keeping people behind bars, money which could be used for education, job creation, and affordable housing."

[Loben The 2nd]

In any event, how do you reconcile old-fashioned lever machines with more and more states considering preferential voting and Missouri considering full-fledged semi-open-list PR? No, best to have paper and pen.

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

[Ifreann]

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

Nothing like a bit of job creation.

[Philjia]

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

The UK manages it.

[Valrifell]

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

It's not like it would all be coming from one place, it could be a county-by-county thing, and I'm sure a few weirdos would even volunteer for it.

[San Lumen]

I guess your right but all ballots should be hand counted so there can be no hacking and it should be mandated the paper is recycled

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

If the UK can do it so can we

[Zurkerx]

If you want to employ the amount of people to count a couple hundred million ballots in a reasonable amount of time go ahead.

If the UK can do it so can we

The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

Edit: However, a system of full electronics, which then prints out your ballot, is another good way and a compromise I would truly accept.

[San Lumen]

If the UK can do it so can we

The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

[Zurkerx]

The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

Or, we can stay electronic and the ballot machines print out our ballots? I feel this would be an acceptable medium; my State of NJ is considering it.

https://www.cnet.com/news/electronic-vo ... -comeback/

[Pacomia]

The UK has 66 million people; the US has 327 million: that's roughly 5 times bigger. Based on what I also gathered, around 32.2 million Brits voted in the 2017 General Elections. In comparison, around 136.6 million voted in the US 2016 Election; that's a little over 4 times more ballots casted. Yeah no, we're not going back to some outdated paper method. Not to mention, fraud can easily be just as done with paper as is electronic. So, how about instead of going back to old ways, we use technology today to improve the system. See? How hard was that?

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

So, you’re saying make people use more effort to wait a longer time to be more rushed at voting? No, because you can just not do all of that by getting ballots mailed to your doorsteps. It’s much easier.

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

In the uk the ballot counting is completely transparent.

We could also go back to the lever machines and update them for new voting systems

So, you’re saying make people use more effort to wait a longer time to be more rushed at voting? No, because you can just not do all of that by getting ballots mailed to your doorsteps. It’s much easier.

Wither way fraud happens there where rumours that illegal immigrants and desd people voted in 2016 and if you ask alot of people from Arizona they say Democrats bused people around. Not saying they did however no matter what happens they will be corruption so just fight by kicking out of office thoose criminals who we call politicians.