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2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:10 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Sernatiao wrote:I feel bad for the non Americans in the thread.

Why are there non-Americans in this thread? It’s an American election.

The politics of the United States have global repercussions.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:12 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:The politics of the United States have global repercussions.

Are you in USA?

Yes. But even if I was back in Spain, I would still pay attention.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:13 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes. But even if I was back in Spain, I would still pay attention.

WESTCOASTGANG!

Speaking of which, California is planning on annexing Oregon.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:16 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Speaking of which, California is planning on annexing Oregon.

...

*Goes Valkist*

*Blitzes Cali*

About as likely to work as you are to get struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark.
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:20 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:About as likely to work as you are to get struck by lightning while getting eaten by a shark.

...So you're saying there's a chance!

In the same way there’s a chance that the Libertarian Party wins in 2020.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:31 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Electic wrote:Do you believe that this idea motivates those who believe the opposite of your positions?

I used to.
Now their actions deem to be defined by hatred of Democrats, and they're willing to sacrifice core values to being Christian to me to do that, as well as genuinely doing better, just because Democrats believe in it, as well as being anti-science. Fighting Climate change(Another one of my core issues oops) is important and yet they don't believe in it. And a good many seem anti-vax, after Trump, we need mandatory vaccinations to save innocent lives that everyone agrees at this point is human, so they're knowingly risk lives because of fears of autism, as an autistic person I am mortified.


That's the fundamental problem, "used to"...
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ANTI:
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-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Ex-Nation

Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:37 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Scientifically not murder.

Oh boy here we go...

Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.


But he always takes a shot at it. God bless his little heart.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Climate Change doesn’t care if you’re black, white, 10, 76, or a fetus. You can’t stick your head in the ground and wait for it to pass.

That too.

I'm not given a choice-I must fight for climate change to protect the people and God's World, as we were given this world to take care of it.


I am with you on that front 100%.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:43 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's the fundamental problem, "used to"...

I'm talking about Christian Conservatives specifically.

Elevangelicals.


Indeed, don't worry, the feeling is mutual.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Sidesh0w B0b
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:45 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Attempting to rip away healthcare from people isn’t immoral to you? Like, I know I don’t have much ground to stand on in that department, but damn.

That too.

Healthcare to me is not just a human, but a Christian Right.

Not to be confused with todays "The Christian Right"...
...back in the 3rd century Emperor Valerian (and a couple other ones) ordered the execution of Christians in the Roman Empire. Many regions didn't comply because the Christians among them were a group they could count on to give care to their people and anyone in need.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:48 pm

Let's see here: Abortion? And theology? Let's try to at least tie it into this thread. Now, if I recall, Biden is Pro-Life himself but doesn't believe in intervening. Me, I've always been Pro-Choice, that'll never change and I consider my views on the issue more extreme on the issue then most hold. Needless to say, the Democrats would do better on women's health issues than Trump or most Republicans in my opinion though allowing abortion to be the deciding issue is pretty ridiculous in my mind.

Pacomia wrote:
Sernatiao wrote:I feel bad for the non Americans in the thread.

Why are there non-Americans in this thread? It’s an American election.


It's the invasion Trump talks about, it's a Yuge deal, believe me! :p

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:...So you're saying there's a chance!

In the same way there’s a chance that the Libertarian Party wins in 2020.


Now I'm feeling the burn :p

Don't remind of the reality ahead for my party, which I consider a meme at this point... Eh, hopefully Amash runs. While I don't agree with everything he says, he would be the most tolerable. Otherwise, I'm writing in a name.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:40 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Let's see here: Abortion? And theology? Let's try to at least tie it into this thread. Now, if I recall, Biden is Pro-Life himself but doesn't believe in intervening. Me, I've always been Pro-Choice, that'll never change and I consider my views on the issue more extreme on the issue then most hold. Needless to say, the Democrats would do better on women's health issues than Trump or most Republicans in my opinion though allowing abortion to be the deciding issue is pretty ridiculous in my mind.

Pacomia wrote:Why are there non-Americans in this thread? It’s an American election.


It's the invasion Trump talks about, it's a Yuge deal, believe me! :p

Kowani wrote:In the same way there’s a chance that the Libertarian Party wins in 2020.


Now I'm feeling the burn :p

Don't remind of the reality ahead for my party, which I consider a meme at this point... Eh, hopefully Amash runs. While I don't agree with everything he says, he would be the most tolerable. Otherwise, I'm writing in a name.

Don’t you mean Feeling the Bern? :p
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:42 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's the fundamental problem, "used to"...

I'm talking about Christian Conservatives specifically.

Elevangelicals.


Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm talking about Christian Conservatives specifically.

Elevangelicals.


Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Well, I wouldn't say that is the only reason. But it was certainly a compelling one for folks in my neck of the woods. Two liberal justices from Her would have engaged in a degree of activism that would have made Trump look positively respectful of the Constitution. Ew.
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Shrillland » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:12 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Sernatiao wrote:I feel bad for the non Americans in the thread.

Why are there non-Americans in this thread? It’s an American election.


Why not have non-Americans in the thread? I'm American, that hasn't stopped me making election threads for the world at large because everyone can still have an opinion on what they think is the best option. Non-Americans have just as much right to come into this thread as Americans.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:16 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Well, I wouldn't say that is the only reason. But it was certainly a compelling one for folks in my neck of the woods. Two liberal justices from Her would have engaged in a degree of activism that would have made Trump look positively respectful of the Constitution. Ew.

He says, without proof.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say that is the only reason. But it was certainly a compelling one for folks in my neck of the woods. Two liberal justices from Her would have engaged in a degree of activism that would have made Trump look positively respectful of the Constitution. Ew.

He says, without proof.


You're asking for proof on a hypothetical?

If you have a time machine laying around, I'm happy to go give it a gander.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:21 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Well, I wouldn't say that is the only reason. But it was certainly a compelling one for folks in my neck of the woods. Two liberal justices from Her would have engaged in a degree of activism that would have made Trump look positively respectful of the Constitution. Ew.


It would have only been one, actually. RBG still wouldn't have retired and Kennedy retired, remember. There's no way there'd be two vacancies in a hypothetical Clinton administration.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:22 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Kowani wrote:He says, without proof.


You're asking for proof on a hypothetical?

If you have a time machine laying around, I'm happy to go give it a gander.

Well, but you seem convinced that a liberal majority on the Court would have done ... things. I wonder what sort of things you and the folks in your neck of the woods might be afraid of a liberal majority going all judicial activism on.
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Postby Ngelmish » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:28 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm talking about Christian Conservatives specifically.

Elevangelicals.


Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Yes, yes, opposition to the concept of abortion is more important than the actual incidence rate. A lot of Catholics share that point of view, it has something to do with morally deserved outcomes, pregnancies carried to term irregardless.

Oh, and don't bother to lie about that abortion inducing point of view. Personal judgement of people's choices matter more, of course.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:31 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I'm talking about Christian Conservatives specifically.

Elevangelicals.


Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Why do they continue to support him and why are there paintings of him being anointed by Christ, Tars?
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Duvniask » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:51 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
why are there paintings of him being anointed by Christ, Tars?

That's creepy...

A creepy cult of personality more or less.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:54 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:That's creepy...

A creepy cult of personality more or less.

It’s based around a zombie. Anything that comes after cannot possibly be weirder.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Nazi Juggalos » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:56 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Evangelicals supported trump for one reason: SCOTUS.


Why do they continue to support him and why are there paintings of him being anointed by Christ, Tars?


They support him because he represents the only thing standing in the way of an increasingly insane and belligerent left.

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Postby Duvniask » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:57 pm

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Duvniask wrote:A creepy cult of personality more or less.

It’s based around a zombie. Anything that comes after cannot possibly be weirder.

I was talking about Trump. :P

Although, isn't it also cannibalistic in the sense that you must eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood... A cannibalistic zombie cult. Sounds metal.
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Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:57 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
You're asking for proof on a hypothetical?

If you have a time machine laying around, I'm happy to go give it a gander.

Well, but you seem convinced that a liberal majority on the Court would have done ... things. I wonder what sort of things you and the folks in your neck of the woods might be afraid of a liberal majority going all judicial activism on.

Liberal things.

Sexy liberal things.
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