2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[South Odreria]

Solid argument for Bennet to be the nominee.

My top candidates right now are Warren, Bennet, Castro, Inslee, Yang, in that order.

I'm going to withdraw my Biden endorsement soon. He lost me on immigration.

What on immigration did he lose you on exactly? Besides, giving illegals free healthcare is not a popular position anyway.

Mass deportations?

[G-Tech Corporation]

And a foreign policy that is not recklessly pro-war but also not anti-war.

Strategy my friend.

Human rights are my priority, but we must learn to balance it with what is necessary to survive and thrive.

What are we gonna do when the oil runs out, huh? We're getting most of it by fracking nowadays. What are we gonna do when that runs out? We have no plans for this, and if we don't do something very soon, everyone is gonna go down.

I mean, there are demonstrably untrue statements in your argument.

Getting most of our oil from fracking?

Running out of oil?

Ridiculous.

[Hamstan]

What are we gonna do when the oil runs out, huh? We're getting most of it by fracking nowadays. What are we gonna do when that runs out? We have no plans for this, and if we don't do something very soon, everyone is gonna go down.

I mean, there are demonstrably untrue statements in your argument.

Getting most of our oil from fracking?

Running out of oil?

Ridiculous.

The US Army said we were gonna run out by 2015 or so in a report they made in the early 2000's. Only fracking has changed that. Conventional oil production has been flat for years.

[The of Japan]

Where do you think intervention is good? What would be a example of a good intervention in your eyes?

You seem to imply I think there are many good examples.

Like in domestic policy, there are only bad choices and worse ones. People's lives will be lost. It's all a matter of what will save the lives and livelihoods of the most people.

I advise you to read "Diplomacy" by Kissinger-before 1950 then his war crime bias stuff shows and it becomes unreliable-, The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, Geopolitics of Emotion, Introduction to Geopolitics, Might of Nations by John G. Stoessinger, and watch these videos.

Sorry if it seemed like I was implying that there are. I too think Iran would be a disaster. Non-interventionism is not at all isolationism.

[The of Japan]

I mean, there are demonstrably untrue statements in your argument.

Getting most of our oil from fracking?

Running out of oil?

Ridiculous.

The US Army said we were gonna run out by 2015 or so in a report they made in the early 2000's. Only fracking has changed that. Conventional oil production has been flat for years.

massive citation needed on that buddy

[G-Tech Corporation]

The US Army said we were gonna run out by 2015 or so in a report they made in the early 2000's. Only fracking has changed that. Conventional oil production has been flat for years.

Yeah, no, that isn't true. We have literally hundreds of years of recoverable oil available from non-shale sources, and that figure is only expanding. Certainly not when you consider the price-point for retrieval military procurement could afford.

[Hamstan]

The US Army said we were gonna run out by 2015 or so in a report they made in the early 2000's. Only fracking has changed that. Conventional oil production has been flat for years.

massive citation needed on that buddy

[The of Japan]

massive citation needed on that buddy

Where is that from?

[Hamstan]

The US Army said we were gonna run out by 2015 or so in a report they made in the early 2000's. Only fracking has changed that. Conventional oil production has been flat for years.

Yeah, no, that isn't true. We have literally hundreds of years of recoverable oil available from non-shale sources, and that figure is only expanding. Certainly not when you consider the price-point for retrieval military procurement could afford.

When I said "run out", I mean more like massive shortages. Yes, there's plenty left, but not cheaply.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, no, that isn't true. We have literally hundreds of years of recoverable oil available from non-shale sources, and that figure is only expanding. Certainly not when you consider the price-point for retrieval military procurement could afford.

When I said "run out", I mean more like massive shortages. Yes, there's plenty left, but not cheaply.

So your point is that oil will get more expensive?

That's rather a different argument than "omg we gonna run out lul".

[Hamstan]

Where is that from?

It says it right on the image.

When I said "run out", I mean more like massive shortages. Yes, there's plenty left, but not cheaply.

So your point is that oil will get more expensive?

That's rather a different argument than "omg we gonna run out lul".

I apologize for being alarmist, but expensive gas means major issues for society. Things like food shortages, huge travel delays, shortages in medical supplies, etc. Society runs on cheap oil.

[Hediacrana]

I'm going to withdraw my Biden endorsement soon. He lost me on immigration.

What did he do? What did I miss?

[Blargoblarg]

I think people seriously underestimate how popular policies like raising minimum wage, taxing the rich more, free college, and medicare for all are.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majorit ... llege.html

Most of the time the corporate media doesn't mention that progressive policies are popular with the majority of the American people. I've got that article, and three others that make similar points, in my sig by the way.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I think people seriously underestimate how popular policies like raising minimum wage, taxing the rich more, free college, and medicare for all are.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majorit ... llege.html

Most of the time the corporate media doesn't mention that progressive policies are popular with the majority of the American people. I've got that article, and three others that make similar points, in my sig by the way.

And I’m not sure you understand why those policies are popular. Crony democracy is always favored by populations who believe they will benefit to the detriment of others.

In SA we called it “our turn to eat”.

[Thuzbekistan]

Where is that from?

It says it right on the image.

So your point is that oil will get more expensive?

That's rather a different argument than "omg we gonna run out lul".

I apologize for being alarmist, but expensive gas means major issues for society. Things like food shortages, huge travel delays, shortages in medical supplies, etc. Society runs on cheap oil.

yes, it does. But when conditions change, society changes. If you're looking for change which isn't reinforcement of the status quo, then you expect pain in that transition. doesn't matter if it is feudal to cappie or cappie to socialist or both to anarchy, that's just part of it. Same with changing resources. same with any change.

[Bonenburg]

Where is the Trump option in the poll?

[Ifreann]

Where is the Trump option in the poll?

The Democratic primary is currently the only show in town.

[Vassenor]

Where is the Trump option in the poll?

I didn't know Trump was running in the Democratic primary.

[Gormwood]

Where is the Trump option in the poll?

I didn't know Trump was running in the Democratic primary.

It would refreshingly honest as opposed to the concern trolling from right-wingers.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I didn't know Trump was running in the Democratic primary.

It would refreshingly honest as opposed to the concern trolling from right-wingers.

That’s why I remain a committed #TeamSwalwell.

[Tarsonis]

One thing that I wish was a more important topic in the political scene was federalism and state’s rights. One of the original bases of the US was giving more power to the states and creating a federal system rather than a unitary state.

Even if this was politically feasible, it’s completely impractical. Federalism died with the Confederacy.

Also, maybe paying more attention to the places west of the Mississippi (especially west of the Rockies)? Aside from maybe California, the western third of the country is pretty much ignored.

This I can agree with.

Not entirely, just that view of federalism. We still have a federalist system, it’s just not as split up.

[Thuzbekistan]

Even if this was politically feasible, it’s completely impractical. Federalism died with the Confederacy.

This I can agree with.

Not entirely, just that view of federalism. We still have a federalist system, it’s just not as split up.

And it's not going to be again. The states are not sovereign and should not be fooled into thinking they are. It's just a method of administration where the locals have some control that the feds don't. otherwise, they might start thinking that they can secede again and then they would just have to be nuked. No one wants that.

[Tarsonis]

Not entirely, just that view of federalism. We still have a federalist system, it’s just not as split up.

And it's not going to be again. The states are not sovereign and should not be fooled into thinking they are. It's just a method of administration where the locals have some control that the feds don't. otherwise, they might start thinking that they can secede again and then they would just have to be nuked. No one wants that.

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe not talk about nuking.


Also, the states do have some sovereignty as seen by the proliferation of sanctuary cities and legal cannabis

[Thuzbekistan]

And it's not going to be again. The states are not sovereign and should not be fooled into thinking they are. It's just a method of administration where the locals have some control that the feds don't. otherwise, they might start thinking that they can secede again and then they would just have to be nuked. No one wants that.

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe not talk about nuking.


Also, the states do have some sovereignty as seen by the proliferation of sanctuary cities and legal cannabis

I don't want to be taken seriously when I talk about american civil war. it's a dumb thing that won't happen anytime soon.

The "sanctuary cities" are really not legal in any way and aren't sovereign since federal authorities can still enter these cities and arrest people.

[Tarsonis]

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe not talk about nuking.


Also, the states do have some sovereignty as seen by the proliferation of sanctuary cities and legal cannabis

I don't want to be taken seriously when I talk about american civil war. it's a dumb thing that won't happen anytime soon.

The "sanctuary cities" are really not legal in any way and aren't sovereign since federal authorities can still enter these cities and arrest people.

Theoretically, but the states and cities have their own way of thwarting that. If the states didn’t have sovereign power, the Federal government could override everything they do, and there’d be no sanctuary cities