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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:02 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm going to blow your mind here, it's possible to plan to use a heartfelt moment because it remains personal even if you know it's going to be germane to what you're going to be talking about and still have it be heartfelt. There is no part of 'heartfelt' that requires spontaneity.


It’s not blowing my mind, I just don’t buy it in politics where everything is Machiavellian

Right, hackneyed cynicism. Forgot for a moment that it's the answer to everything.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
It’s not blowing my mind, I just don’t buy it in politics where everything is Machiavellian

Right, hackneyed cynicism. Forgot for a moment that it's the answer to everything.


Harris has never given me a reason to think she is anything, but scheming
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Postby Luna Amore » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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Probably because it wasn’t a heartfelt moment, not really. That speech was planned, as is the merch.

I'm going to blow your mind here, it's possible to plan to use a heartfelt moment because it remains personal even if you know it's going to be germane to what you're going to be talking about and still have it be heartfelt. There is no part of 'heartfelt' that requires spontaneity.

I'd be shocked if any candidates didn't go in with lines and quips like that planned. It's just common sense. Planning it doesn't make it less meaningful, but it does seem less geniune when you immediately monetize it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Luna Amore wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm going to blow your mind here, it's possible to plan to use a heartfelt moment because it remains personal even if you know it's going to be germane to what you're going to be talking about and still have it be heartfelt. There is no part of 'heartfelt' that requires spontaneity.

I'd be shocked if any candidates didn't go in with lines and quips like that planned. It's just common sense. Planning it doesn't make it less meaningful, but it does seem less geniune when you immediately monetize it.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:33 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Right, hackneyed cynicism. Forgot for a moment that it's the answer to everything.


Harris has never given me a reason to think she is anything, but scheming


Harris' lack of disclosure of a 2010 crime lab drug tampering scandal will also haunt her on the trail.
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Postby Hediacrana » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:45 pm

Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:49 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.

"How black" someone is always becomes an embarrassing conversation for all involved.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:51 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.


Agreed.
No need to go to that low depth. One only need look at how she's run her prosecutors office and one can see she isn't really isn't ready for the Oval Office. Looks like character issues to me.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:00 pm

Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.


Is birtherism the right word? Is anyone questioning where she was born?
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:03 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.


Is birtherism the right word? Is anyone questioning where she was born?


Not yet. But they will now that the first faint light has been kindled.
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Postby Hediacrana » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:09 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.

"How black" someone is always becomes an embarrassing conversation for all involved.


Donald Trump Jr is among those who peddled this thing on twitter - and embarrassment does not seem to come naturally to that family...
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:Birtherism is back! The very moment a black candidate takes of, people feel a need to discredit them, using whatever stick they can think of.

"How black" someone is always becomes an embarrassing conversation for all involved.

I mean she thinks she’s the only one of them that can speak on race so.......

Then again. Or surprising considering “California” But you know.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:21 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:"How black" someone is always becomes an embarrassing conversation for all involved.

I mean she thinks she’s the only one of them that can speak on race so.......

Then again. Or surprising considering “California” But you know.


Well apart from yang. That stage was pretty white
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby 36 Cameras » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:26 pm

The real question is whether or not Kamala's attack on Biden was fair.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:27 pm

36 Cameras wrote:The real question is whether or not Kamala's attack on Biden was fair.

It kinda was…
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Postby 36 Cameras » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
36 Cameras wrote:The real question is whether or not Kamala's attack on Biden was fair.

It kinda was…


Why shouldn't children be allowed to choose whether or not they will be bused?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:49 pm

Kowani wrote:
36 Cameras wrote:The real question is whether or not Kamala's attack on Biden was fair.

It kinda was…


Debatable. Berkeley decided as a whole community to support bussing while in Delaware it was causing mass community conflict. In a twisted way, Harris had a social privilege that Biden did not
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:49 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:It kinda was…


Debatable. Berkeley decided as a whole community to support bussing while in Delaware it was causing mass community conflict. In a twisted way, Harris had a social privilege that Biden did not

Biden should have said that then
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Debatable. Berkeley decided as a whole community to support bussing while in Delaware it was causing mass community conflict. In a twisted way, Harris had a social privilege that Biden did not

Biden should have said that then


He should have, but he was caught flatfooted
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:56 pm

36 Cameras wrote:
Kowani wrote:It kinda was…


Why shouldn't children be allowed to choose whether or not they will be bused?

The same reason they don’t get to choose whether or not they can go to school.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
36 Cameras wrote:
Why shouldn't children be allowed to choose whether or not they will be bused?

The same reason they don’t get to choose whether or not they can go to school.


Hey some kids would choose to go to school. Nerds.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:The same reason they don’t get to choose whether or not they can go to school.


Hey some kids would choose to go to school. Nerds.

Perhaps 1%.
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Postby 36 Cameras » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
36 Cameras wrote:
Why shouldn't children be allowed to choose whether or not they will be bused?

The same reason they don’t get to choose whether or not they can go to school.


And that is?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:24 pm

36 Cameras wrote:The real question is whether or not Kamala's attack on Biden was fair.


Hmmm? Probably acceptable. However, I don't care about comments made over 40 years ago. How has he been the last 10 years? 20?.....
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:43 pm

36 Cameras wrote:
Kowani wrote:The same reason they don’t get to choose whether or not they can go to school.


And that is?

A rudimentary understandings of child psychology?
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