2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

[Loben The 2nd]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

[Zurkerx]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

TBF, this poll was done before the debates (and it's a State Poll). I'll be looking at polls they start today and release Monday and onward.

[Vassenor]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

Reminder that polling has still had Trump losing to all of them.

[South Odreria]

Morning consult poll (the kindest to Biden) shows him dropping six points - after the first debate.

Meanwhile, I think Buttigieg did better than Harris. Her attack on Biden came off as cynical to me. Either way, the success of those two will probably mean they steal supporters from Warren.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

Oh you're hoping so very much but prepare for a bigly disappoint. Trump knows Biden is his electoral college beast. So do most Dem voters. Biden's polling strength is related directly. Number one issue is defeat Trump. Smart voters.

[Hediacrana]

Morning consult poll (the kindest to Biden) shows him dropping six points - after the first debate.

Meanwhile, I think Buttigieg did better than Harris. Her attack on Biden came off as cynical to me. Either way, the success of those two will probably mean they steal supporters from Warren.

That last bit is a bit of a non sequitur to me. Why would Buttigieg and Harris be likely to draw support from Warren, more so than from other candidates?

[Sidesh0w B0b]

Morning consult poll (the kindest to Biden) shows him dropping six points - after the first debate.

Meanwhile, I think Buttigieg did better than Harris. Her attack on Biden came off as cynical to me. Either way, the success of those two will probably mean they steal supporters from Warren.

It's state by state polling that really matters as the nomination will be decided thusly. Buttigieg definitely did himself some real good under great pressure. Agree with assessment of Harris.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Morning consult poll (the kindest to Biden) shows him dropping six points - after the first debate.

Meanwhile, I think Buttigieg did better than Harris. Her attack on Biden came off as cynical to me. Either way, the success of those two will probably mean they steal supporters from Warren.

Yikes those Biden numbers.

[Nea Byzantia]

Morning consult poll (the kindest to Biden) shows him dropping six points - after the first debate.

Meanwhile, I think Buttigieg did better than Harris. Her attack on Biden came off as cynical to me. Either way, the success of those two will probably mean they steal supporters from Warren.

Yikes those Biden numbers.

He can hold on to that torch all he wants...It'll be pried from his cold, dead, hands.

[Ifreann]

Today's new poll from Maine shows Biden leading his rivals from two neighboring states, 25% Biden 17% Warren 15% Sanders.

Also shows Biden beating Trump by the widest margin of all Dem candidates 54 - 46%.

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

[Hediacrana]

This 538/Morning Consult poll finds a big leap for Harris (from 7.9 to 16.6 percent) and an even larger decrease for Biden (from 41.5 to 31.5 percent) after last night's debate.

Also interesting: Buttigieg, who I thought did well, actually lost popularity over the debates (from 6.7 to 4.8 ).

[Pyta]

Biden's best hope right now is that Kamala's healthcare Boo-urns thing bogs her down and takes over from the whole bussing thing.

[Pyta]

Really though there's no way to "win" a primary debate in a meaningful way in this situation. The positive gains almost certainly won't last. You can't win, you can only lose, and the losers over the last two nights were Tim Ryan, Beto O'Rourke, and Joe Biden.

[Valrifell]

This 538/Morning Consult poll finds a big leap for Harris (from 7.9 to 16.6 percent) and an even larger decrease for Biden (from 41.5 to 31.5 percent) after last night's debate.

Also interesting: Buttigieg, who I thought did well, actually lost popularity over the debates (from 6.7 to 4.8 ).

Most likely a lot of it is still controversy over the shooting in South Bend and his less-than-stellar track record (to put it nicely) on race relations coming to bite him in the ass.

[Valrifell]

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

That's a stupid idea, you realize.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I’m still somewhat bummed that Yang didn’t get a much of a word in. IIRC, they only asked him like, three questions, one of which was the closing statement. Then again, there were persistent technical difficulties, Somali may have missed something.

[Gormwood]

He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

That's a stupid idea, you realize.

Compared to the "Trump can even beat Jesus Christ as the Democratic candidate" meme this forum is snorting like cocaine right now?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Really though there's no way to "win" a primary debate in a meaningful way in this situation. The positive gains almost certainly won't last. You can't win, you can only lose, and the losers over the last two nights were Tim Ryan, Beto O'Rourke, and Joe Biden.

I'm fine with that. If they lose, they lose. And nothing of value is lost.

[Valrifell]

This 538/Morning Consult poll finds a big leap for Harris (from 7.9 to 16.6 percent) and an even larger decrease for Biden (from 41.5 to 31.5 percent) after last night's debate.

Also interesting: Buttigieg, who I thought did well, actually lost popularity over the debates (from 6.7 to 4.8 ).

Most likely a lot of it is still controversy over the shooting in South Bend and his less-than-stellar track record (to put it nicely) on race relations coming to bite him in the ass.

Also, my god Yang's favorables are trash now.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I’m still somewhat bummed that Yang didn’t get a much of a word in. IIRC, they only asked him like, three questions, one of which was the closing statement. Then again, there were persistent technical difficulties, Somali may have missed something.

The Yang Yacht can't sink already! We're only in the beginning!

[Valrifell]

That's a stupid idea, you realize.

Compared to the "Trump can even beat Jesus Christ as the Democratic candidate" meme this forum is snorting like cocaine right now?

Less stupid as that, but pretending Biden actually has any significant amount of Rep support against Donald Trump - one of the most popular politicians among registered Reps - is pure fantasy based in the "lol Biden 2 moderate" meme.

While he is a moderate, he's still a Democrat and the Reps are too far right to take him in.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I’m still somewhat bummed that Yang didn’t get a much of a word in. IIRC, they only asked him like, three questions, one of which was the closing statement. Then again, there were persistent technical difficulties, Somali may have missed something.

The Yang Yacht can't sink already! We're only in the beginning!

Press F to pay respects to Yang.

Although, in Yang’s defense, he’s faring better than Swalwell.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

But he should totally make way for booker or Harris.

Fucking brilliant.

He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

No. Former republican Governor of CT William Weld is doing that. Biden (and other Dems) should NOT cede the center to Trump. It's the easiest way to reelect Trump. Jeez Louise.

The Yang Yacht can't sink already! We're only in the beginning!

Press F to pay respects to Yang.

Although, in Yang’s defense, he’s faring better than Swalwell.

No, he's not. Swalwell isn't a political laughing stock today. Yang had nothing last night. He was shocked and awed right out of the building.

[Ifreann]

He should run as a Republican and primary Trump.

That's a stupid idea, you realize.

It's a brilliant idea. All Biden wants is to beat Trump. He can do that as a Republican.