2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Thuzbekistan]

I do. The purpose is to elect a representative of that party to try and win a seat. However, given that states like TN exist where the primary is essentially the election since there is no democratic chance, it gives the entire state a say. If we had more than just two viable parties, I would say they should be closed. However, our current system is undemocratic and robs a lot of people of their say since FTP is the voting system we have. To me, open primaries allows for the minority to have a say in what is essentially a one party state.

That’s not how it works. The democrats do have a say for their candidate. While the GE will most likely go Red, TN Democrats still get to cast their votes for their prospective candidates.

You’re conflating the GE and the primary, and that is not the case.

No, I'm not. In Tennessee, democrats have no chance. instead, they get nothing but hard right leaning governors and senators. Yes, they have their state reps and senators, but in state wide elections, they do not have a chance. The only way they can have a say in what way the state goes is by helping choose the representative. That minority would then have a say because the democrat will lose and the republican they helped pick will win. That is the reality here in Tennessee. Unless we change the voting system to a proportional one where there aren't just one or two viable parties, then the only way minorities have a say is in the primaries.

[Farnhamia]

That’s not how it works. The democrats do have a say for their candidate. While the GE will most likely go Red, TN Democrats still get to cast their votes for their prospective candidates.

You’re conflating the GE and the primary, and that is not the case.

No, I'm not. In Tennessee, democrats have no chance. instead, they get nothing but hard right leaning governors and senators. Yes, they have their state reps and senators, but in state wide elections, they do not have a chance. The only way they can have a say in what way the state goes is by helping choose the representative. That minority would then have a say because the democrat will lose and the republican they helped pick will win. That is the reality here in Tennessee. Unless we change the voting system to a proportional one where there aren't just one or two viable parties, then the only way minorities have a say is in the primaries.

So register Republican and change things. It doesn't matter in the GE which party you're registered with.

[Tarsonis]

That’s not how it works. The democrats do have a say for their candidate. While the GE will most likely go Red, TN Democrats still get to cast their votes for their prospective candidates.

You’re conflating the GE and the primary, and that is not the case.

No, I'm not. In Tennessee, democrats have no chance. instead, they get nothing but hard right leaning governors and senators. Yes, they have their state reps and senators, but in state wide elections, they do not have a chance. The only way they can have a say in what way the state goes is by helping choose the representative. That minority would then have a say because the democrat will lose and the republican they helped pick will win. That is the reality here in Tennessee. Unless we change the voting system to a proportional one where there aren't just one or two viable parties, then the only way minorities have a say is in the primaries.

Move to a swing state if it’s such an issue

[Thuzbekistan]

No, I'm not. In Tennessee, democrats have no chance. instead, they get nothing but hard right leaning governors and senators. Yes, they have their state reps and senators, but in state wide elections, they do not have a chance. The only way they can have a say in what way the state goes is by helping choose the representative. That minority would then have a say because the democrat will lose and the republican they helped pick will win. That is the reality here in Tennessee. Unless we change the voting system to a proportional one where there aren't just one or two viable parties, then the only way minorities have a say is in the primaries.

Move to a swing state if it’s such an issue

"move away if you wanna have a say" is dumb.

[Farnhamia]

Move to a swing state if it’s such an issue

"move away if you wanna have a say" is dumb.

I agree. Register Republican and work from within. It ain't gonna be easy, but what is?

[Tarsonis]

This is ignoring the fact that crossover states are very likely a huge factor in what got us trump in the first place. He didn’t do so hot in closed states.

So someone's learned the lesson of the 2016 primary battle. Good for them. Don't get me wrong, I despise cross-over voting. If you want to participate in a party's internal doings, at least have the guts to register with that party.

Problem for Weld is he’s courting the wrong votes. The Independents are the ones who propped trump up in the primaries, not insurgent democrats. Getting the Democratic base to cross over and vote for him would be a huge undertaking, requiring a cross over turn out that’s never been seen before

[Thuzbekistan]

"move away if you wanna have a say" is dumb.

I agree. Register Republican and work from within. It ain't gonna be easy, but what is?

I do that, actually. I volunteered for the guy I wanted. I lost, but at least I had to say. It just sucks that I have to do that to even have a say under this system

[Tarsonis]

Move to a swing state if it’s such an issue

"move away if you wanna have a say" is dumb.

Proportional voting isn’t going to happen. So your options are, as Farn said, join the Republican Party, or move to a swing state. Life sucks get a helmet

[Thuzbekistan]

"move away if you wanna have a say" is dumb.

Proportional voting isn’t going to happen. So your options are, as Farn said, join the Republican Party, or move to a swing state. Life sucks get a helmet

[Farnhamia]

I agree. Register Republican and work from within. It ain't gonna be easy, but what is?

I do that, actually. I volunteered for the guy I wanted. I lost, but at least I had to say. It just sucks that I have to do that to even have a say under this system

You do have a say, you just need more people to work with you. Yes, one voice crying in the wilderness is generally only heard by the deer and the antelope, but get a bunch of people together and you can actually make a difference. And I'm glad you did what you did, too many people here go, "Why bother, it'll never work."

[Tarsonis]

Proportional voting isn’t going to happen. So your options are, as Farn said, join the Republican Party, or move to a swing state. Life sucks get a helmet

Even if we abolished the EC, and established proportional voting at the national level, State elections are governed by the state. The Republican government there won’t give their opposition an ounce of power, they’ll never approve it. Brand a huge party shift, proportional voting won’t happen in Tennessee. You can come to terms with that and take one of the viable options available to you, or you can spend the rest of your life winging about it. The choice is yours.

[Cedoria]

What can any self-respecting member of the media do if the man they're covering is such an unadulterated gobshite with a batting average worse than a broken clock's? Don a pink dress and exult on the great gloriousness of their Surely Dear Leader?

If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.

'Tear him apart':)

What comes out of his mouth is enough to do that without any help from them...

[Tarsonis]

If we the media was attacking people purely off of the stupid things they said we would have one continuous AOC show. They hate him and his guts and will use every method available to attempt to tear him apart.

'Tear him apart':)

What comes out of his mouth is enough to do that without any help from them...

And yet, the projection models have him winning in 2020.

[Thuzbekistan]

Even if we abolished the EC, and established proportional voting at the national level, State elections are governed by the state. The Republican government there won’t give their opposition an ounce of power, they’ll never approve it. Brand a huge party shift, proportional voting won’t happen in Tennessee. You can come to terms with that, or you can spend the rest of your life winging about it. The choice is yours.

Bruh, I can support it and voice my opinion about it. complaining and bitching while actually taking part in the political system is literally how shit gets done. party shifts start by people actually voicing their opinion. Even if it takes two generations, it has to start somewhere.

[Tarsonis]

Even if we abolished the EC, and established proportional voting at the national level, State elections are governed by the state. The Republican government there won’t give their opposition an ounce of power, they’ll never approve it. Brand a huge party shift, proportional voting won’t happen in Tennessee. You can come to terms with that, or you can spend the rest of your life winging about it. The choice is yours.

Bruh, I can support it and voice my opinion about it. complaining and bitching while actually taking part in the political system is literally how shit gets done. party shifts start by people actually voicing their opinion. Even if it takes two generations, it has to start somewhere.

You missed the edit “take the viable options available to you. And no complaining and bitching isnt how shit gets done. Effective action, is how shit gets done.

[Thuzbekistan]

Bruh, I can support it and voice my opinion about it. complaining and bitching while actually taking part in the political system is literally how shit gets done. party shifts start by people actually voicing their opinion. Even if it takes two generations, it has to start somewhere.

You missed the edit “take the viable options available to you. And no complaining and bitching isnt how shit gets done. Effective action, is how shit gets done.

Taking the viable options are not always the right options. And Protests are literally a bunch of people complaining REALLY loudly. And what do you think I was doing by volunteering for the guy I wanted to win the governor's office in 2018? Taking action to try and have a say. Complaining and voicing your opinion is where all stuff starts. Acting on those complaints is how it gets done.

[Tarsonis]

You missed the edit “take the viable options available to you. And no complaining and bitching isnt how shit gets done. Effective action, is how shit gets done.

Taking the viable options are not always the right options. And Protests are literally a bunch of people complaining REALLY loudly. And what do you think I was doing by volunteering for the guy I wanted to win the governor's office in 2018? Taking action to try and have a say. Complaining and voicing your opinion is where all stuff starts. Acting on those complaints is how it gets done.

Protests are effective action. You whining in an online forum is not protesting. In politics, nonviable options are not right options because they effect nothing.

[Thuzbekistan]

Taking the viable options are not always the right options. And Protests are literally a bunch of people complaining REALLY loudly. And what do you think I was doing by volunteering for the guy I wanted to win the governor's office in 2018? Taking action to try and have a say. Complaining and voicing your opinion is where all stuff starts. Acting on those complaints is how it gets done.

Protests are effective action. You whining in an online forum is not protesting. In politics, nonviable options are not right options because they effect nothing.

I'll voice my opinion as I see fit where I see fit, thank you very much. It doesn't matter if it's outside with a first amendment permit and a sign or online talking about it, I'm still expressing my opinion. Sorry you have to hear it. If you don't want to, there is an ignore button.

[Gormwood]

What a telling way to frame an attempt at bipartisan appeal.

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

So Operation Chaos, but turned on the Republicans instead.

[Nakena]

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

So Operation Chaos, but turned on the Republicans instead.

Sweet.

[Cedoria]

'Tear him apart':)

What comes out of his mouth is enough to do that without any help from them...

And yet, the projection models have him winning in 2020.

Most of them had him losing in 2016. Projection models are only as good as the people they survey. Without knowing who his opponent is, or how many people will vote or where, there are a lot of variables that will tip it one way or the other that aren't even decided yet.

[Tarsonis]

And yet, the projection models have him winning in 2020.

Most of them had him losing in 2016. Projection models are only as good as the people they survey. Without knowing who his opponent is, or how many people will vote or where, there are a lot of variables that will tip it one way or the other that aren't even decided yet.

No they didn’t actually. The polls had him losing in 2016. The models had him winning . The models historically have been very accurate, the polls not so much.

[Tarsonis]

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

So Operation Chaos, but turned on the Republicans instead.

Not quite.

[Tarsonis]

Protests are effective action. You whining in an online forum is not protesting. In politics, nonviable options are not right options because they effect nothing.

I'll voice my opinion as I see fit where I see fit, thank you very much. It doesn't matter if it's outside with a first amendment permit and a sign or online talking about it, I'm still expressing my opinion. Sorry you have to hear it. If you don't want to, there is an ignore button.

I’ll care about your opinion when it’s worth listening to

[Ngelmish]

Okay, he's seeking an "insurgency" which is to say, a substantial enough group to make a complete shift in the current direction of the GOP (which is something Trump himself did just a few years ago) which is to say, in other words, a working majority. From your tone, I'm fairly certain I can conclude that you meant "issue" as in problematic, but if you'd care to clarify the question you ignored, that'd be great.

Oh, and insurgency seeking or not, Weld is hardly a Democrat.

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

Weld has been pretty open about the fact that he thinks that Trump, in both substance and style, is incompatible with what he himself understands conservatism to be. The fact that you're angry about him appealing to not just Trump-skeptical Republicans but, yes, other voters, doesn't change the fact that this is pretty typical primary chicanery against an incumbent. He's searching for whatever votes he can find.

Weld isn't the problem you should be tilting against, it's open primaries.