2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

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Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

Is anyone to the left of Trump a Democrat now? I thought you'd be above that kind of thinking, but I assure you Weld has no home in the Democratic Party.

I think I've figured out the formula now. Anything short of becoming Republicans will cause the Democrats to lose, but if you reach out to Democrats as a Republican, you're just a Democrat. Makes total sense.

[Booga Booga Booga]

What a telling way to frame an attempt at bipartisan appeal.

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

Weld said 20 states.

[Tarsonis]

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

Weld said 20 states.

What ever

[Tarsonis]

Except that’s literally what he said when Bill asked how he hoped to handle the Trump base “about 25 states allow cross over voting.” “Bi-partisan appeal” is nice euphemism for “hijacking the republican primary with democrat votes”

Is anyone to the left of Trump a Democrat now? I thought you'd be above that kind of thinking, but I assure you Weld has no home in the Democratic Party.

No it’s not that. It’s that’s he openly admitted he’s trying to get democrats to vote for him in the republican primary to unseat the current incumbent that has the majority of the base support.

[Tarsonis]

Is anyone to the left of Trump a Democrat now? I thought you'd be above that kind of thinking, but I assure you Weld has no home in the Democratic Party.

I think I've figured out the formula now. Anything short of becoming Republicans will cause the Democrats to lose, but if you reach out to Democrats as a Republican, you're just a Democrat. Makes total sense.

Of course you’d smugly completely misunderstand the issue.

[Ngelmish]

I think I've figured out the formula now. Anything short of becoming Republicans will cause the Democrats to lose, but if you reach out to Democrats as a Republican, you're just a Democrat. Makes total sense.

Of course you’d smugly completely misunderstand the issue.

"Issue" as in subject of the line of thought or "issue" as in it's suddenly problematic for a non-incumbent to try to cobble together a majority during a primary run? Either way, Weld is hardly a Democrat. His economics are more conservative than Trump's and his libertarian approach to cultural politics is less big government.

[Bear Stearns]

I do not believe Bill Weld to be a secret democrat. He's more of a libertarian, moderate alternative to Trump and if the later should get in serious trouble he would be ready to take his place.

Not a bad strategy.

Bill Weld's website doesn't even say what his stances are.

[Thuzbekistan]

Is anyone to the left of Trump a Democrat now? I thought you'd be above that kind of thinking, but I assure you Weld has no home in the Democratic Party.

No it’s not that. It’s that’s he openly admitted he’s trying to get democrats to vote for him in the republican primary to unseat the current incumbent that has the majority of the base support.

Good... Trump is doing a lot of damage to the repubs

[Tarsonis]

Of course you’d smugly completely misunderstand the issue.

"Issue" as in subject of the line of thought or "issue" as in it's suddenly problematic for a non-incumbent to try to cobble together a majority during a primary run? Either way, Weld is hardly a Democrat. His economics are more conservative than Trump's and his libertarian approach to cultural politics is less big government.

Oh ffs, he’s not seeking a majority he’s seeking an insurgency.

[Tarsonis]

No it’s not that. It’s that’s he openly admitted he’s trying to get democrats to vote for him in the republican primary to unseat the current incumbent that has the majority of the base support.

Good... Trump is doing a lot of damage to the repubs

So when we send republicans to tank the Democratic Primaries, you’re gonna be cool with that?

[Nakena]

I do not believe Bill Weld to be a secret democrat. He's more of a libertarian, moderate alternative to Trump and if the later should get in serious trouble he would be ready to take his place.

Not a bad strategy.

Bill Weld's website doesn't even say what his stances are.

Thats very unfortunate. But arent his stances like, well known?

But he really should put in more effort.

[Tarsonis]

Bill Weld's website doesn't even say what his stances are.

Thats very unfortunate. But arent his stances like, well known?

But he really should put in more effort.

He’s a blue state Republican

[Thuzbekistan]

Good... Trump is doing a lot of damage to the repubs

So when we send republicans to tank the Democratic Primaries, you’re gonna be cool with that?

yeah. Primaries should be open IMO.

[Tarsonis]

So when we send republicans to tank the Democratic Primaries, you’re gonna be cool with that?

yeah. Primaries should be open IMO.

You clearly don’t understand primaries then

[Thuzbekistan]

yeah. Primaries should be open IMO.

You clearly don’t understand primaries then

I do. The purpose is to elect a representative of that party to try and win a seat. However, given that states like TN exist where the primary is essentially the election since there is no democratic chance, it gives the entire state a say. If we had more than just two viable parties, I would say they should be closed. However, our current system is undemocratic and robs a lot of people of their say since FTP is the voting system we have. To me, open primaries allows for the minority to have a say in what is essentially a one party state.

[Nakena]

Thats very unfortunate. But arent his stances like, well known?

But he really should put in more effort.

He’s a blue state Republican

Is that something bad?

[Ngelmish]

"Issue" as in subject of the line of thought or "issue" as in it's suddenly problematic for a non-incumbent to try to cobble together a majority during a primary run? Either way, Weld is hardly a Democrat. His economics are more conservative than Trump's and his libertarian approach to cultural politics is less big government.

Oh ffs, he’s not seeking a majority he’s seeking an insurgency.

Okay, he's seeking an "insurgency" which is to say, a substantial enough group to make a complete shift in the current direction of the GOP (which is something Trump himself did just a few years ago) which is to say, in other words, a working majority. From your tone, I'm fairly certain I can conclude that you meant "issue" as in problematic, but if you'd care to clarify the question you ignored, that'd be great.

Oh, and insurgency seeking or not, Weld is hardly a Democrat.

[Tarsonis]

He’s a blue state Republican

Is that something bad?

Not inherently, no. It just depends on your politics. I don’t agree with his abortion stance, in particular, but beyond that I’d take him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over trump. I actually voted for him in 2016. What irks me right now is I find his tactic here duplicitous and underhanded.

[Tarsonis]

Oh ffs, he’s not seeking a majority he’s seeking an insurgency.

Okay, he's seeking an "insurgency" which is to say, a substantial enough group to make a complete shift in the current direction of the GOP (which is something Trump himself did just a few years ago) which is to say, in other words, a working majority. From your tone, I'm fairly certain I can conclude that you meant "issue" as in problematic, but if you'd care to clarify the question you ignored, that'd be great.

Oh, and insurgency seeking or not, Weld is hardly a Democrat.

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

[Thuzbekistan]

Okay, he's seeking an "insurgency" which is to say, a substantial enough group to make a complete shift in the current direction of the GOP (which is something Trump himself did just a few years ago) which is to say, in other words, a working majority. From your tone, I'm fairly certain I can conclude that you meant "issue" as in problematic, but if you'd care to clarify the question you ignored, that'd be great.

Oh, and insurgency seeking or not, Weld is hardly a Democrat.

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

Take a chill pill

[Tarsonis]

You clearly don’t understand primaries then

I do. The purpose is to elect a representative of that party to try and win a seat. However, given that states like TN exist where the primary is essentially the election since there is no democratic chance, it gives the entire state a say. If we had more than just two viable parties, I would say they should be closed. However, our current system is undemocratic and robs a lot of people of their say since FTP is the voting system we have. To me, open primaries allows for the minority to have a say in what is essentially a one party state.

That’s not how it works. The democrats do have a say for their candidate. While the GE will most likely go Red, TN Democrats still get to cast their votes for their prospective candidates.

You’re conflating the GE and the primary, and that is not the case.

[Farnhamia]

Okay, he's seeking an "insurgency" which is to say, a substantial enough group to make a complete shift in the current direction of the GOP (which is something Trump himself did just a few years ago) which is to say, in other words, a working majority. From your tone, I'm fairly certain I can conclude that you meant "issue" as in problematic, but if you'd care to clarify the question you ignored, that'd be great.

Oh, and insurgency seeking or not, Weld is hardly a Democrat.

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

Good. Primaries are internal party business, they should never allow cross-over voting, but if they allow states to pass laws allowing this, they get what they deserve. But hey, Trump will just run as an independent and rip the GOP to pieces. He's already served his purpose, packing the federal courts with conservatives.

[Tarsonis]

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

Take a chill pill

How about you piss off?

[Tarsonis]

No. No. No! Will you ducking listen to me for once in your ducking life? He’s trying to court Democrats into tactical voting, to cross over in open states and strip the nomination from incumbent who is backed by the actual Republican base. He’s not trying to shift the Republican party, he’s trying to steal the election from them.

Good. Primaries are internal party business, they should never allow cross-over voting, but if they allow states to pass laws allowing this, they get what they deserve. But hey, Trump will just run as an independent and rip the GOP to pieces. He's already served his purpose, packing the federal courts with conservatives.

This is ignoring the fact that crossover states are very likely a huge factor in what got us trump in the first place. He didn’t do so hot in closed states.

[Farnhamia]

Good. Primaries are internal party business, they should never allow cross-over voting, but if they allow states to pass laws allowing this, they get what they deserve. But hey, Trump will just run as an independent and rip the GOP to pieces. He's already served his purpose, packing the federal courts with conservatives.

This is ignoring the fact that crossover states are very likely a huge factor in what got us trump in the first place. He didn’t do so hot in closed states.

So someone's learned the lesson of the 2016 primary battle. Good for them. Don't get me wrong, I despise cross-over voting. If you want to participate in a party's internal doings, at least have the guts to register with that party.