2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Liriena]

[Liriena]

Depends on the Libertarians. There are some that would relish the idea of a Libertarian Revolution as well.

I'd argue they're more fond of the idea than most. Don't Tread On Me and whatnot.

[Blargoblarg]

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The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

[Telconi]

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The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

What makes a share fair?

And Bernie has never not been rich, his Senate salary alone puts him in the top 2.5% of U.S. incomes.

[Bahktar]

Then again, I'm not American

We're the insidious and sneaky foreign internet influencers who have arcane powers over the outcome of american presidential elections.

Indeed

[Tarsonis]

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The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me

[Duhon]

The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me

On average, which doesn't really tell us much.

[Marxist Germany]

Is there going to be a poll?

[Shrillland]

Is there going to be a poll?

I'm sure he'll get one up later today.

[South Odreria]

If we don't need fake news, why are you putting it into this thread?



Literally what. 1: 538 shows that two of the last three Iowa polls show Biden and Sanders tied. Yes they are all rated "C" on 538, but the last one rated above that was a month and a half ago.



I guess Wisconsin, Texas, Iowa, and Florida aren't states anymore. Yes this is a GOP poll but it's rated B on 538 which is your chosen metric.

I don't put up articles about C rated polls with links that don't link to what is written. You did. Why not fix it? Can you provide a link to that poll instead of all this subterfuge?

I see it is impossible for you to go to fivethirtyeight.com
Just because you disagree with a poll doesn't make it wrong.

[Ngelmish]

The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me

When you put it like that, it does sound rather reasonable -- unless one understands economies of scale.

[Tarsonis]

The Top 1% paymore than the bottom 90%. Sounds like they’re paying their fair share to me

When you put it like that, it does sound rather reasonable -- unless one understands economies of scale.

I do, so by all means explain how that applies here

[Ngelmish]

When you put it like that, it does sound rather reasonable -- unless one understands economies of scale.

I do, so by all means explain how that applies here

Good, then you know that whether or not a 90% aggregate rate, or a lower target, or a higher one for that matter, is functional depends on the scale that we're talking about. It's a bit facile to swipe one or two statistics to tout whether or not the current tax structure is "fair" without defining those parameters.

[Valrifell]

The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

"Corporate Media"

You sure sound like Trump supporters.

The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.

Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?

[Telconi]

"Corporate Media"

You sure sound like Trump supporters.

The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.

Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?

What's wrong with SCOTUS or the filibuster?

[South Odreria]

The corporate media fails to understand that Bernie supporters aren't against people being rich, we just want them to pay their fair share in taxes. It doesn't bother me that Bernie became a millionaire in the past couple years from his bestselling books, because he hasn't stopped fighting for his policies that would help the poor now that he's rich.

"Corporate Media"

You sure sound like Trump supporters.

Presumably telling the truth is worth it?

[Sybil and the Sybillettes]

I don't put up articles about C rated polls with links that don't link to what is written. You did. Why not fix it? Can you provide a link to that poll instead of all this subterfuge?

I see it is impossible for you to go to fivethirtyeight.com
Just because you disagree with a poll doesn't make it wrong.

More likely it's more impossible for you to provide a link for a nebulous poll.

[South Odreria]

I see it is impossible for you to go to fivethirtyeight.com
Just because you disagree with a poll doesn't make it wrong.

More likely it's more impossible for you to provide a link for a nebulous poll.

Biden and Sanders tied in Iowa poll
Biden and Sanders tied in Iowa poll
Biden losing to Trump in various states

Literally everything in your original post is wrong.

[South Odreria]

"Corporate Media"

You sure sound like Trump supporters.

The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.

Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?

Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."

[Valrifell]

The distrust in basic institutions of the Republic is funny coming from people supporting a candidate who talks big but is shy from taking big stances on government reform like restructuring SCOTUS or abolishing the filibuster, among others.

Y'all do realize you hate the establishment way more than Sanders does, yes?

Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."

I was speaking more broadly than that, but yes a press media that is independent of government is a core and basic tenant of the United States. That it is corporate is undeniable, to say it has a concerted effort and unified agenda is laughable, they have no idea what they're doing and it shows. Otherwise they would've used their magical influence and not let Trump get elected, since he so regularly shittalks them.

[South Odreria]

Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."

I was speaking more broadly than that, but yes a press media that is independent of government is a core and basic tenant of the United States. That it is corporate is undeniable, to say it has a concerted effort and unified agenda is laughable, they have no idea what they're doing and it shows. Otherwise they would've used their magical influence and not let Trump get elected, since he so regularly shittalks them.

Corporate dominated and government dominated are not the only two options. Also, neither Blargoblarg nor I claimed that the corporate media has "a concerted effort and unified agenda," and earlier I specifically said that they didn't.

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Having the media owned and operated by corporations, for corporations is not a "basic institution of the Republic."

I was speaking more broadly than that, but yes a press media that is independent of government is a core and basic tenant of the United States. That it is corporate is undeniable, to say it has a concerted effort and unified agenda is laughable, they have no idea what they're doing and it shows. Otherwise they would've used their magical influence and not let Trump get elected, since he so regularly shittalks them.

That he regularly shit talks them is meaningless to disprove influence. Trump can shittalk them all he wants, love him or hate him he drives viewership and readers to either hear what dumb thing he did or how he owned the liberals. Seeing as his policy is to regulate big business less and tax them less the corporate interests could support candidates who are corporate friendly while being more critical of candidates who are looking for steeper taxes or rules or worse, trust busters. Corporations aren’t Trump, they won’t cut their nose off to spite their face just because someone was mean to them, especially when selling that conflict can increase revenues. You’ll need a better reason.

[South Odreria]

Corporate dominated and government dominated are not the only two options. Also, neither Blargoblarg nor I claimed that the corporate media has "a concerted effort and unified agenda," and earlier I specifically said that they didn't.

But you Demonize them the same way Trump and his supporters do. That's dangerous and alienates moderates or progressives who hate such hostility and a simpleminded view of "they criticize us only because they want us to lose", pitting you against them in a fictional scenario. The world isn't that simply, viewing it that way is dangerous, it led to Trump, it worries me for the future of the country and of future violence, it alienated me from the Bernie Community largely.

I don't demonize the media, I just criticize them for being unduly influenced by corporate power. Do you think they're not, or that it doesn't matter? Because saying that I'm wrong because I said something that sounds like something Trump said isn't a legitimate criticism.

[Shrillland]

This is why I'm an interventionist, and why non-interventionism serves oppressors and the evil,, while also threatening America and is technically treason in such a loose way that I would rather use it not as an attack or justification or disloyalty or anything like that, but more of a warning that it is extremely dangerous. This is why I'm very interventionist, it is not a choice, we have a moral, national,, and strategic obligation to.[/url]

That's why Trump, Bernie, Gabbard, and Gravel are horrible for the USA, and why the Cold War was justified, not by ideological terms. And why Putin and Assad and Venezuela are major threats to our existence.

EDIT: If Russia and them were a lot more Democratic and Social Democracies ala Scandinavia style I'd be less worried, but it is still our obligation as an independent country with allies and strategic partners and for our long-term survival, else it'd be too late.

Venezuela is not a threat to our existence. They have less than 30 million people, they can't control their own people, and their economy's the same as Moldova circa 1993. Plus, our interventionism down there led to tyrannical dictators that rank among the worst of the worst, or do I need to regale you with stories of Pinochet's special dogs?

There is a place for it, to be sure, but we misuse our power far more often that we correctly use it.

[Zurkerx]

I'm not entirely sure if foreign policy will be as a big of a topic as it was in the past; Americans have grown wary of the wars and are warming to the ideas of non-interventionism.

It seems the focus is more on domestic issues like Healthcare and Immigration (the two highest prioritizes). Healthcare Democrats have an advantage on and immigration is a toss-up (this is a polar issue)