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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 8:23 am

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Galloism wrote:Bernie isn't bound by gendered norms of what hair should look like! Xe's his own person!

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 8:30 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:
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Comrade Sanders shall lead us into a new age!!


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Postby Maineiacs » Thu May 23, 2019 8:41 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Comrade Sanders shall lead us into a new age!!


Of Dinosaurs


Or to ride to Gondor's aid.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:42 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Bernie will beat Trump if he wins the nomination, mark my words.


He's gotta win the nomination, and he's not that popular in his own party. The Justice Democrats are not the majority of the party, and don't have a huge backing of the party.

That is true, but if he wins the nomination, he will win the presidency, I assure you.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 23, 2019 8:45 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
He's gotta win the nomination, and he's not that popular in his own party. The Justice Democrats are not the majority of the party, and don't have a huge backing of the party.

That is true, but if he wins the nomination, he will win the presidency, I assure you.


Unlikely. You would see massive turnout against him. Sanders is literally hated.
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Postby Maineiacs » Thu May 23, 2019 8:46 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That is true, but if he wins the nomination, he will win the presidency, I assure you.


Unlikely. You would see massive turnout against him. Sanders is literally hated.


So is Trump.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:47 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That is true, but if he wins the nomination, he will win the presidency, I assure you.


Unlikely. You would see massive turnout against him. Sanders is literally hated.

Trump is also literally hated. These are both pretty meaningless statements since they don't have quantifiers.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 8:49 am

Shrillland wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’ll admit I voted for George the Elder.


I can't say I've done so for the presidency, but I have voted for Greens for congress, and I even voted for a Republican mayor here in my town.

I’ve voted for the Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian candidates and I’ve wrote in about a few hundred people
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 23, 2019 8:49 am

Maineiacs wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Unlikely. You would see massive turnout against him. Sanders is literally hated.


So is Trump.


Not as much as Sanders is.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I can't say I've done so for the presidency, but I have voted for Greens for congress, and I even voted for a Republican mayor here in my town.

I’ve voted for the Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian candidates and I’ve wrote in about a few hundred people

What were you doing voting libertarian Mr "Burn the first amendment?" :p
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:51 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:
So is Trump.


Not as much as Sanders is.

On what do you base this?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 8:53 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’ve voted for the Republican, Democrat, and Libertarian candidates and I’ve wrote in about a few hundred people

What were you doing voting libertarian Mr "Burn the first amendment?" :p

Attempting to end the republicans one party state in Georgia
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 23, 2019 8:54 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Not as much as Sanders is.

On what do you base this?


Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 8:55 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Of Dinosaurs


Or to ride to Gondor's aid.


He'd need a bigger beard.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What were you doing voting libertarian Mr "Burn the first amendment?" :p

Attempting to end the republicans one party state in Georgia

A noble goal.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 8:57 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:On what do you base this?


Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.

I know no democrats who will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nomination, so it hardly matters. I knew many democrats who voted for Trump to spite Hillary though.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 9:00 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.

I know no democrats who will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nomination, so it hardly matters. I knew many democrats who voted for Trump to spite Hillary though.


Yes but I know many republicans who would vote for Joe Biden, I know none that will vote for Sanders.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 9:01 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know no democrats who will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nomination, so it hardly matters. I knew many democrats who voted for Trump to spite Hillary though.


Yes but I know many republicans who would vote for Joe Biden, I know none that will vote for Sanders.

I know of one or two that would. And about three that wouldn’t vote at all
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Thu May 23, 2019 9:25 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.

I know no democrats who will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nomination, so it hardly matters. I knew many democrats who voted for Trump to spite Hillary though.


Whatever. Those people this time will vote for the Dem to spite Trump who squandered 2 years with both houses of congress in GOP hands. He has failed on too many his campaign promises. Mexico not paying for wall. No infrastructure deal. No fix for healthcare. Just a big tax break for the fat cats and a trade war that is raising prices for the middle class. Pretty sorry record for the MAGA hat crowd to prop up. Maybe tie a stick to it... war with Iran? Nuts. :lol:

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 23, 2019 9:37 am

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know no democrats who will vote for Trump if Bernie gets the nomination, so it hardly matters. I knew many democrats who voted for Trump to spite Hillary though.


Whatever. Those people this time will vote for the Dem to spite Trump who squandered 2 years with both houses of congress in GOP hands. He has failed on too many his campaign promises. Mexico not paying for wall. No infrastructure deal. No fix for healthcare. Just a big tax break for the fat cats and a trade war that is raising prices for the middle class. Pretty sorry record for the MAGA hat crowd to prop up. Maybe tie a stick to it... war with Iran? Nuts. :lol:

All the saber-rattling going on now is just part of Trump's 2020 campaign. I mean, come on, the man filed papers to run again on Inauguration Day in 2017. His entire administration has been a campaign rally.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu May 23, 2019 9:51 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:On what do you base this?


Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.


According to Morning Consult Sanders is only two points off from Biden in terms of raw favorability, hardly being disliked by "both sides".
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 23, 2019 10:27 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Whatever. Those people this time will vote for the Dem to spite Trump who squandered 2 years with both houses of congress in GOP hands. He has failed on too many his campaign promises. Mexico not paying for wall. No infrastructure deal. No fix for healthcare. Just a big tax break for the fat cats and a trade war that is raising prices for the middle class. Pretty sorry record for the MAGA hat crowd to prop up. Maybe tie a stick to it... war with Iran? Nuts. :lol:

All the saber-rattling going on now is just part of Trump's 2020 campaign. I mean, come on, the man filed papers to run again on Inauguration Day in 2017. His entire administration has been a campaign rally.

So he's threatening war without having the balls to actually follow through just to impress his usual crowd.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Thu May 23, 2019 10:32 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Whatever. Those people this time will vote for the Dem to spite Trump who squandered 2 years with both houses of congress in GOP hands. He has failed on too many his campaign promises. Mexico not paying for wall. No infrastructure deal. No fix for healthcare. Just a big tax break for the fat cats and a trade war that is raising prices for the middle class. Pretty sorry record for the MAGA hat crowd to prop up. Maybe tie a stick to it... war with Iran? Nuts. :lol:

All the saber-rattling going on now is just part of Trump's 2020 campaign. I mean, come on, the man filed papers to run again on Inauguration Day in 2017. His entire administration has been a campaign rally.

Totally true. He's amassed the largest campaign chest of $$$ for re-election in history. By far. It's unprecedented.

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Postby Sybil and the Sybillettes » Thu May 23, 2019 10:39 am

South Odreria wrote:
Sybil and the Sybillettes wrote:
When you click on the link to the poll in this article you get nothing of the poll. I see 538 gives this polling group a weak C rating. I've seen it suggested this may be one of those internet polls which people can vote for candidates more than one. Hope not. We don't need anymore fake news.

If we don't need fake news, why are you putting it into this thread?

Sybil and the Sybillettes wrote:Anyway, it's a big outlier when compared to other recent polling out there from reputable sources.


Literally what. 1: 538 shows that two of the last three Iowa polls show Biden and Sanders tied. Yes they are all rated "C" on 538, but the last one rated above that was a month and a half ago.

Sybil and the Sybillettes wrote:Nevertheless I haven't seen a poll from any state that shows Biden losing to anyone. Even Trump.


I guess Wisconsin, Texas, Iowa, and Florida aren't states anymore. Yes this is a GOP poll but it's rated B on 538 which is your chosen metric.


I don't put up articles about C rated polls with links that don't link to what is written. You did. Why not fix it? Can you provide a link to that poll instead of all this subterfuge?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 10:40 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Sanders is disliked by both sides. Trump is only disliked by one.


According to Morning Consult Sanders is only two points off from Biden in terms of raw favorability, hardly being disliked by "both sides".

Something something fake news! Something something polls are wrong
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