Sex Strike? Understand your opposition

[Novus America]

This puts power in the hands of the women and keeps them from constantly being used for sex and procreation.

There has been a popular movement along these lines for ten years or more, I believe, in Brazil. The women call it "the factory is closed". It has had a powerful effect there.

Citation needed on Brazil.
Considering abortion is still illegal in Brazil if the objective was legalizing abortion it failed miserably.

This changes nothing. Women already had the power to choose to have sex or not.
So they will still do so. Okay. Those who wanted to have children will still have them, and those who do not want to will not.
So this will not cause political change.

[The Black Forrest]

Nope. It does seem those who raise the "incel" argument tend to be.

McCarthyism strikes again.

To you; I am sure it appears to be that way.

[Costa Fierro]

This #SexStrike is pretty telling as to how feminists view femininity, we're practically all only good for our vaginas... it's the only bargaining chip we have apparently.

It's not just feminists though. Women are gatekeepers of intercourse. It's something society accepts. It shouldn't surprise you that, by extension, women's leverage over men would purely consist of that sexual gatekeeping.

The irony would be if people start calling me sexist for pointing this out.

[Costa Fierro]

McCarthyism strikes again.

To you; I am sure it appears to be that way.

Did the incels under your bed keep you up again?

[Kowani]

This #SexStrike is pretty telling as to how feminists view femininity, we're practically all only good for our vaginas... it's the only bargaining chip we have apparently.

It's not just feminists though. Women are gatekeepers of intercourse. It's something society accepts. It shouldn't surprise you that, by extension, women's leverage over men would purely consist of that sexual gatekeeping.

The irony would be if people start calling me sexist for pointing this out.

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

[Novus America]

This #SexStrike is pretty telling as to how feminists view femininity, we're practically all only good for our vaginas... it's the only bargaining chip we have apparently.

It's not just feminists though. Women are gatekeepers of intercourse. It's something society accepts. It shouldn't surprise you that, by extension, women's leverage over men would purely consist of that sexual gatekeeping.

The irony would be if people start calling me sexist for pointing this out.

Well yes, society has accepted rape is bad. This does not mean women only have sexual power, or have something men do not.

[Galloism]

It's not just feminists though. Women are gatekeepers of intercourse. It's something society accepts. It shouldn't surprise you that, by extension, women's leverage over men would purely consist of that sexual gatekeeping.

The irony would be if people start calling me sexist for pointing this out.

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

Well, or it’s “made to penetrate” which is a form of ”unwanted contact” if the victim happens to be male. You know, like being bumped on a train.

[Costa Fierro]

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

I would disagree with that, given the issues surrounding social attitudes with regards to men and rape. Which also includes some jurisdictions adopting laws that don't see unwanted sex as rape if the victim is a man.

Technically you are right, but that is an idealistic view of things.

[Novus America]

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

Well, or it’s “made to penetrate” which is a form of ”unwanted contact” if the victim happens to be male. You know, like being bumped on a train.

Well true there is a double standard for some.
Still men do have a right to refuse sex just as women do.
Even if forcing a man to have sex is sometimes (wrongfully) a different crime, it is still a crime.

[Novus America]

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

I would disagree with that, given the issues surrounding social attitudes with regards to men and rape. Which also includes some jurisdictions adopting laws that don't see unwanted sex as rape if the victim is a man.

Technically you are right, but that is an idealistic view of things.

While you are correct there is still sexism in law and society, men still have a legal right to refuse sex, and forcing them to do so is still a crime, even if sometimes, wrongfully considered a different crime.

[New haven america]

I would disagree with that, given the issues surrounding social attitudes with regards to men and rape. Which also includes some jurisdictions adopting laws that don't see unwanted sex as rape if the victim is a man.

Technically you are right, but that is an idealistic view of things.

While you are correct there is still sexism in law and society, men still have a legal right to refuse sex, and forcing them to do so is still a crime, even if sometimes, wrongfully considered a different crime.

Eh...

A lot of areas in the US disagree.

[Galloism]

Well, or it’s “made to penetrate” which is a form of ”unwanted contact” if the victim happens to be male. You know, like being bumped on a train.

Well true there is a double standard for some.
Still men do have a right to refuse sex just as women do.
Even if forcing a man to have sex is sometimes (wrongfully) a different crime, it is still a crime.

Generally, in most places (with a few notable exceptions).

But that doesn’t mean it will get prosecuted. In the United States, where I do my advocacy work, men report more often than not being told they will be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time if they attempt to report. I’ve taken to recommending they take a lawyer with them when they go report if they have the resources, or if they don’t, a good friend, so there’s a witness to the discrimination.

It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work to be overcome.

It doesn’t help that men are more likely to be raped by their partner than anyone else, and police automatically tend to believe their partners over them based on sex.

[Ethel mermania]

Well true there is a double standard for some.
Still men do have a right to refuse sex just as women do.
Even if forcing a man to have sex is sometimes (wrongfully) a different crime, it is still a crime.

Generally, in most places (with a few notable exceptions).

But that doesn’t mean it will get prosecuted. In the United States, where I do my advocacy work, men report more often than not being told they will be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time if they attempt to report. I’ve taken to recommending they take a lawyer with them when they go report if they have the resources, or if they don’t, a good friend, so there’s a witness to the discrimination.

It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work to be overcome.

It doesn’t help that men are more likely to be raped by their partner than anyone else, and police automatically tend to believe their partners over them based on sex.

Rape really isnt the topic of the thread.

That women aren't the only gatekeepers of sex, kind of is relevant

[The Black Forrest]

To you; I am sure it appears to be that way.

Did the incels under your bed keep you up again?

You assume I give you guys any thought. Hate to disappoint you; once I logoff NSG; thoughts of the incels are forgotten.

[Novus America]

While you are correct there is still sexism in law and society, men still have a legal right to refuse sex, and forcing them to do so is still a crime, even if sometimes, wrongfully considered a different crime.

Eh...

A lot of areas in the US disagree.

Citation needed.
I am pretty sure forcibly restraining some one against their will and touching their genitalia agains there will is illegal everywhere in the US.
It is still assault/battery, false imprisonment/illegal restraint, sexual assault/unlawful sexual contact, etc.

[Novus America]

Well true there is a double standard for some.
Still men do have a right to refuse sex just as women do.
Even if forcing a man to have sex is sometimes (wrongfully) a different crime, it is still a crime.

Generally, in most places (with a few notable exceptions).

But that doesn’t mean it will get prosecuted. In the United States, where I do my advocacy work, men report more often than not being told they will be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time if they attempt to report. I’ve taken to recommending they take a lawyer with them when they go report if they have the resources, or if they don’t, a good friend, so there’s a witness to the discrimination.

It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work to be overcome.

It doesn’t help that men are more likely to be raped by their partner than anyone else, and police automatically tend to believe their partners over them based on sex.

Where is it actually not some crime?
It would still be assault/battery, sexual assault, false imprisonment, unlawful restraint, etc.
Sure negative societal assumptions still persists, but it is still agreed that men have a legal right to choose who they have sex with, or choose to not have sex at all.

[Galloism]

Generally, in most places (with a few notable exceptions).

But that doesn’t mean it will get prosecuted. In the United States, where I do my advocacy work, men report more often than not being told they will be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time if they attempt to report. I’ve taken to recommending they take a lawyer with them when they go report if they have the resources, or if they don’t, a good friend, so there’s a witness to the discrimination.

It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work to be overcome.

It doesn’t help that men are more likely to be raped by their partner than anyone else, and police automatically tend to believe their partners over them based on sex.

Where is it actually not some crime?
It would still be assault/battery, sexual assault, false imprisonment, unlawful restraint, etc.
Sure negative societal assumptions still persists, but it is still agreed that men have a legal right to choose who they have sex with, or choose to not have sex at all.

Well, it’s not that society explicitly thinks men don’t have the right exactly, just that they exist in a default state of consent, and so they can’t be raped - conscious or not.

[Costa Fierro]

Did the incels under your bed keep you up again?

You assume I give you guys any thought. Hate to disappoint you; once I logoff NSG; thoughts of the incels are forgotten.

And once again you've said something that's factually incorrect.

[Kowani]

…Technically, everyone’s a gatekeeper of intercourse, else it’s rape.

Well, or it’s “made to penetrate” which is a form of ”unwanted contact” if the victim happens to be male. You know, like being bumped on a train.

You should’ve been a lawyer.

[Novus America]

Where is it actually not some crime?
It would still be assault/battery, sexual assault, false imprisonment, unlawful restraint, etc.
Sure negative societal assumptions still persists, but it is still agreed that men have a legal right to choose who they have sex with, or choose to not have sex at all.

Well, it’s not that society explicitly thinks men don’t have the right exactly, just that they exist in a default state of consent, and so they can’t be raped - conscious or not.

Well I am not talking about rape specifically.
Yes under some laws men cannot be raped, and domestic abuse against men often not considered real domestic abuse. But still forcibly restraining someone and forcibly touching their genitalia is still illegal under every state code, even if not always rape.

Negative societal aspects exist sure. Even those arguing against the concept of male rape agree men have the right to refuse sex, but argue (wrongfully) that in those cases the man did not really refuse.
I do not think anyone as advocated men should be forced to have sex with everyone who wants it.

[Scomagia]

It was the democrats collaborating with feminists using the media to push a narrative to secure a voting bloc for political reasons using extremist, divisive, and duplicitous narratives and language. Similar to how republicans otherwise muslims and so on. The democrats decided to make white men the enemy to scare people into voting democrat.

Pass that tinfoil brother.

What for? Oooh, are we smoking hash?

[Galloism]

Well, or it’s “made to penetrate” which is a form of ”unwanted contact” if the victim happens to be male. You know, like being bumped on a train.

You should’ve been a lawyer.

You're not the first person to tell me that.

[Scomagia]

Reminder that Conservative in the judiciary does not mean the same thing as Conservative politicians.

Do you not know what court stacking is?

Do you not know the difference between Conservative politicians and Conservative judges?

[Galloism]

Well, it’s not that society explicitly thinks men don’t have the right exactly, just that they exist in a default state of consent, and so they can’t be raped - conscious or not.

Well I am not talking about rape specifically.
Yes under some laws men cannot be raped, and domestic abuse against men often not considered real domestic abuse. But still forcibly restraining someone and forcibly touching their genitalia is still illegal under every state code, even if not always rape.

Negative societal aspects exist sure. Even those arguing against the concept of male rape agree men have the right to refuse sex, but argue (wrongfully) that in those cases the man did not really refuse.
I do not think anyone as advocated men should be forced to have sex with everyone who wants it.

And it's worth note lynching was never legal. Black people in the south were always legally protected by laws against murder, which covered lynching.

That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is heading into a tangent however, as ethel was pointing out:

Generally, in most places (with a few notable exceptions).

But that doesn’t mean it will get prosecuted. In the United States, where I do my advocacy work, men report more often than not being told they will be charged with filing a false report or wasting police time if they attempt to report. I’ve taken to recommending they take a lawyer with them when they go report if they have the resources, or if they don’t, a good friend, so there’s a witness to the discrimination.

It’s getting better, but there’s still a lot of work to be overcome.

It doesn’t help that men are more likely to be raped by their partner than anyone else, and police automatically tend to believe their partners over them based on sex.

Rape really isnt the topic of the thread.

That women aren't the only gatekeepers of sex, kind of is relevant

[The Black Forrest]

You assume I give you guys any thought. Hate to disappoint you; once I logoff NSG; thoughts of the incels are forgotten.

And once again you've said something that's factually incorrect.

Uh-huh. Now you are just being silly.