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Postby Tahar Joblis » Mon May 13, 2019 6:28 am

I'm on Twitter now, and I'm hearing a lot of chatter on the #SexStrike hashtag. Here's what happened.

Alyssa Milano, one of the actresses who got #MeToo up and running, found it outrageous that Georgia had passed a new "heartbeat" abortion ban law, and called for a sex strike by women.1 Aside from the people ignoring it, simply laughing at it as ridiculous, or being angry, reactions can be more or less grouped as follows.

  1. "This is a great idea." Encourage Milano and her fellow pro-choice women to follow suit.
  2. "This is problematic." Talk about how this is either heterosexist or commodifies sex. (This was a minority response, I probably saw disproportionately many of these because of my position.)
  3. "This is a bad idea." Talk about the bad assumptions. (We'll do this in a moment.)

Category (A) is particularly interesting, as it included not only a number of #MeToo feminists, but quite a few conservatives who were cheering and laughing, saying various things along the lines of "Yes, please DO practice abstinence unless you marry / plan to procreate." From their perspective, Alyssa Milano was asking pro-choice women to do exactly what religious conservatives want women to do: Refrain from having casual & recreational sex in the first place.

Milano simply did not understand her opposition. Her perspective was presumably informed by feminist Twitter's coverage of the law, which included a great deal of framing this as an act performed by men, acting as a collective to oppress women - an act of patriarchy. I'm not sure what presumptive collective benefit men were supposed to reap from forcing women to carry pregnancies to term.

In reality, there is little difference between men and women's attitudes on abortion. Many of the most passionate opponents of abortion are themselves women, who unambiguously would prefer that pro-choice women stopped having sex with men. With the rise in the use of political views to determine whether or not to date or have sex with someone, there are not many pro-life men who would have been impacted by a sex strike carried out by women with unambiguous feelings about "heartbeat" laws.

To make Milano's call even less well-advised, Georgia's "heartbeat" law is essentially identical to numerous other laws that have already been successfully challenged and overturned in court. The law will, in all probability, never take effect - until and unless Roe is overturned, in which case abortion will immediately become illegal (not just after 6 weeks, but at any time) in numerous states. The law is largely symbolic,2 and Milano's act did more to spread misinformation about what options women in the state of Georgia have available to them than it did to combat any actual change in abortion access.

It's very unlikely that the #SexStrike call will actually get anywhere, but it's a nice object lesson in how failing to understand your opposition can lead to deploying bad tactics. Milano seemed to think that a sex strike with pro-choice women refusing to have sex with men would retaliate against the people who were oppressing her people and cause them to relent; instead, it would simply ineffectually punish some segment of her political allies while rewarding her actual opponents, in order to try to rescind a law that has not taken effect and will not unless something momentous happens in the Supreme Court.

I would say that in most cases, successfully persuading opponents is extremely difficult without having an understanding of who your opponents actually are and why they're doing what you don't want them to do. If you don't understand what your opponents want, your attempts to retaliate against them might backfire badly. You may be giving them exactly what they want.

1. While virtually every call for a sex strike in the United States has been met with laughter, the tactic has arguably worked in a few cases, e.g., Kenya.
2. Except inasmuch as it provides another in a steady stream of cases designed to provide the Supreme Court with a case they could use to overturn Roe if they feel like it, but the Georgia law is not particularly special in that regard.

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Postby Asherahan » Mon May 13, 2019 6:38 am

Penis in Vagina makes babes also this won't work. Why will it not work? The people that pushed the law through do not give a fuck about you.
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Postby Galloism » Mon May 13, 2019 6:43 am

You can mark me down for "B".

It carries the impression that the only value a woman has comes out of her vagina, and that's both factually wrong and deeply offensive to women.

This is besides the fact that holding out on sex for your partner based on political opinion is deeply suspect from a relationship standpoint. Many would classify it as abuse. From an article entitled "Should I Leave him", which is clearly gender slanted the other way, it states:

5 types of abusive relationships:

Control: “Abusive relationships” brings to mind physical violence. At the same time, many forms of abuse don’t leave bruises. Attempts to control a spouse's behavior, friends, finances, or activities is often the first sign of an abusive situation and may be a precursor to violence. Abusers tend to isolate their victims and chip away at their self-esteem until he or she becomes the only person in the victim’s world. Control may be attempted by using threats, anger, or excessive criticism.

Emotional manipulation: Another form of psychological abuse is the use of guilt, criticism, anger, or other manipulation to degrade the victim. The purpose may be simply to hurt him or her, or to force compliance. Your spouse may play mind-games, attack your vulnerabilities, threaten to leave or withhold affection/approval as punishment. Repeated infidelity also falls under emotionally abusive relationships.

Verbal abuse: Constant demeaning, insulting, or humiliating comments in public or private are incredibly damaging forms of verbal abuse. This includes telling hurtful “jokes” about you despite your discomfort and requests to stop, name-calling, swearing and insults, questioning your sanity or ridiculing your opinions/desires.

Sexual Abuse: Until recently, unwanted or forced sex within marriage was not considered “rape”. Married victims of sexual abuse still face considerable stigma when coming forward with their sexually abusive relationships. Sexual abuse includes unwanted sex, withholding sex, forced engagement in any sexual activity that frightens or hurts you, refusing to practice safe sex or preventing you from using birth control or making decisions about pregnancy/abortion.

Physical Violence: If your partner has done anything to intentionally hurt you, it is critical that you remove yourself and your children from him or her immediately. In addition to beating and chocking, pining you down, spitting on you, abandoning you in dangerous places, driving at high speeds or toying with dangerous situations to intimidate you, refusing to help you or withholding aid when you are sick, injured or pregnant is also physical abuse.


This is a call to use point 4 as a tool to engage in point 1. It's essentially a call to arms for women to engage in psychological abuse of their partners.

And just in case you doubt that many consider that abusive, Allure magazine also agrees.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 13, 2019 6:47 am

Oh cool, a thread where everyone will agree but somehow still fight.
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Postby Asherahan » Mon May 13, 2019 6:48 am

Ifreann wrote:Oh cool, a thread where everyone will agree but somehow still fight.

Someone is gonna agree with the woman for some buttshit insane reason.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 13, 2019 6:49 am

Asherahan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Oh cool, a thread where everyone will agree but somehow still fight.

Someone is gonna agree with the woman for some buttshit insane reason.

...

...don't you mean "batshit"...?
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Postby Asherahan » Mon May 13, 2019 6:51 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Someone is gonna agree with the woman for some buttshit insane reason.

...

...don't you mean "batshit"...?

No I don't ;)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 6:54 am

This sounds stupid and i doubt it will work.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon May 13, 2019 6:54 am

Asherahan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...

...don't you mean "batshit"...?

No I don't ;)

...Oh...um...alright. It's just that the word you used doesn't really exist. Never mind though.
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Postby Nakena » Mon May 13, 2019 7:05 am

Free publicity.

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Postby Galloism » Mon May 13, 2019 7:07 am

Lol, so I clicked on the #SexStrike hashtag to see what people were saying about it, and the very first response, the very top one, is Titania McGrath.

The tweet is:

Sisters! We MUST get behind the #SexStrike NOW. ✊

ALL of us. No excuses.

As women, it is our duty to stand up for our right to an abortion by ensuring that none of us get pregnant.


For those of you who live in cave, Titania McGrath is a well known satire account.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 13, 2019 7:09 am

This is a pretty good example of how the social left in general does not understand the right. With a few exceptions(like the knights of columbus), almost everything in the pro-life movement is completely run by women... who mostly believe that sex outside of marriage is immoral or at least indecent. This also assumes that abortion laws are intended to oppress women, while the reality is that pro-lifers tend to genuinely believe that unborn babies have an individual right to life(and of course we're quite happy limiting parent's rights for the sake of their children after they're born).
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Postby Shanhwa » Mon May 13, 2019 7:10 am

I hope the opposition starts campaigning “have more sex” now.

backside of the ads just say “with protection of course”
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:11 am

Galloism wrote:Lol, so I clicked on the #SexStrike hashtag to see what people were saying about it, and the very first response, the very top one, is Titania McGrath.

The tweet is:

Sisters! We MUST get behind the #SexStrike NOW. ✊

ALL of us. No excuses.

As women, it is our duty to stand up for our right to an abortion by ensuring that none of us get pregnant.


For those of you who live in cave, Titania McGrath is a well known satire account.

How fucking dare you.

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Postby Shanhwa » Mon May 13, 2019 7:12 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Galloism wrote:Lol, so I clicked on the #SexStrike hashtag to see what people were saying about it, and the very first response, the very top one, is Titania McGrath.

The tweet is:



For those of you who live in cave, Titania McGrath is a well known satire account.

How fucking dare you.

I will have you know i live in a hovel! Not a cave!


smh this is the 21st century, y’all best start living in pits in the ground with dirt roofs
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:15 am

Seriously though how can this been seen as anything other than a form of psychological abuse? You are witholding sex from your partner as a punishment for something they didnt do? The only thing it seems likely to do is strain your relationship with your partner and hand your ideological opponents a victory on a silver platter.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon May 13, 2019 7:16 am

Shanhwa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:How fucking dare you.

I will have you know i live in a hovel! Not a cave!


smh this is the 21st century, y’all best start living in pits in the ground with dirt roofs

Im better than these fucking peasants, i live in shitty stone walls on the mountain side, not in the ground like a commoner.

Disgraceful.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 13, 2019 7:16 am

Diopolis wrote:This is a pretty good example of how the social left in general does not understand the right. With a few exceptions(like the knights of columbus), almost everything in the pro-life movement is completely run by women... who mostly believe that sex outside of marriage is immoral or at least indecent. This also assumes that abortion laws are intended to oppress women, while the reality is that pro-lifers tend to genuinely believe that unborn babies have an individual right to life(and of course we're quite happy limiting parent's rights for the sake of their children after they're born).

The social left in general is pointing and laughing at Alyssa Milano.
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Postby Galloism » Mon May 13, 2019 7:18 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Seriously though how can this been seen as anything other than a form of psychological abuse? You are witholding sex from your partner as a punishment for something they didnt do? The only thing it seems likely to do is strain your relationship with your partner and hand your ideological opponents a victory on a silver platter.

Well, it's about enforcing social control. The idea is to abuse your partner until they do what you want.
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Postby Shanhwa » Mon May 13, 2019 7:20 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:
smh this is the 21st century, y’all best start living in pits in the ground with dirt roofs

Im better than these fucking peasants, i live in shitty stone walls on the mountain side, not in the ground like a commoner.

Disgraceful.


Ah but you see my friend, I have studied the Vietnamese’s tactics and have an intricate tunnel system from my dirt hole to the city and beyond, complete with removable dirt walls and trained guard rats and moles.

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Postby Hirota » Mon May 13, 2019 7:29 am

Obviously we are going to have to bus women in to cross the dicket line.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon May 13, 2019 7:57 am

All I'll say to this is that whilst I understand finding love is hard if your girl is the sort that will withhold sex over a political issue it's time to break up.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon May 13, 2019 8:03 am

I feel like a lot of the supporters for the heartbeat bill are exactly the kind of people who wish there was less sex going around. Feels like you’re playing right into their hands.

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Postby Shanhwa » Mon May 13, 2019 8:13 am

Purpelia wrote:All I'll say to this is that whilst I understand finding love is hard if your girl is the sort that will withhold sex over a political issue it's time to break up.


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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon May 13, 2019 8:15 am

Seems like a totally pointless gesture. Organising some kind of public fund to ensure poor women without support will be able to leave Georgia for the medical treatment they need, or -- more practically -- donating to Planned Parenthood would seem far more useful in this situation.
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