How Should We Fund Roads in The Future?

[Conserative Morality]

$10 billion is pocket change at the federal budget level, but the notion that the US federal government should spend as much as it wants to whenever it wants, is also bullshit. The tax revenue the US gets can't forever fund a fiscally irresponsible government.

TIL increasing the deficit by ~.25% is fiscally irresponsible.

Debt to GDP shouldn't be allowed to grow out of control. Do you think people will keep being willing to buy US debt if it only ever keeps growing as opposed to shrinking from budget surpluses or flatlining from the country finally spending less than making new expenses?

Yes. Have you forgotten that the debt has done nothing but grow since WW2? Do you need a course in basic finance as to how debt works even for individuals?

[Ifreann]

Nationalise the NFL.

I'm not saying do it but I'm definitely not saying don't do it

I'm definitely saying don't not do it.

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Nationalise the NFL.

Then Wyoming will protest their underrepresented and demand a team. Various flaws nationalizing it. Also what if American football loses interest and it just becomes a tax burden. And people who hate the sport pay taxes and support it.

I will graciously grant a team to Wyoming.

[Kowani]

I'm not saying do it but I'm definitely not saying don't do it

I'm definitely saying don't not do it.

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Then Wyoming will protest their underrepresented and demand a team. Various flaws nationalizing it. Also what if American football loses interest and it just becomes a tax burden. And people who hate the sport pay taxes and support it.

I will graciously grant a team to Wyoming.

You’ll increase the State population by a whole percentage point.

[Kernen]

I'm not saying do it but I'm definitely not saying don't do it

I'm definitely saying don't not do it.

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Then Wyoming will protest their underrepresented and demand a team. Various flaws nationalizing it. Also what if American football loses interest and it just becomes a tax burden. And people who hate the sport pay taxes and support it.

I will graciously grant a team to Wyoming.

If Wyoming wants a team, Wyoming can pay for its own team. Football isn't about giving things away for free, its about soliciting huge royalty negotiations!

[Forsher]

I wasn’t aware buses couldn’t work in suburbs.

The way buses work in suburbs is they stop at strip malls, schools, major businesses, churches or town hall and people who don't live with walking distance of those need to *drive* to get to the stop. If you get rid of cars you'll need a stop within walking distance of every home, and buses servicing those stops regularly, which isn't practical, economical or environmental.

Search: feeder busses.

[Senkaku]

I'm definitely saying don't not do it.

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I will graciously grant a team to Wyoming.

You’ll increase the State population by a whole percentage point.

Tbh why stop at the NFL? Nationalize all the sports!

[Kragholm Free States]

They actually are though.

Roads require force. It is not possible to make them work otherwise.

Irrelevant. Taxation is the fee one pays to live in society.

The fee one pays to the state to not be subjected to violence by the state.

Protection money is the fee one pays the mafia to not be subjected to violence by the mafia. I suppose that means the mafia is a perfectly legitimate organisation that should be encouraged to continue operating.

[Kernen]

Irrelevant. Taxation is the fee one pays to live in society.

The fee one pays to the state to not be subjected to violence by the state.

Protection money is the fee one pays the mafia to not be subjected to violence by the mafia. I suppose that means the mafia is a perfectly legitimate organisation that should be encouraged to continue operating.

Not quite. Organized crime represents a challenge to the state's monopoly on violence, and therefore it is not legitimate as an organization.

Might makes right.

[Kowani]

You’ll increase the State population by a whole percentage point.

Tbh why stop at the NFL? Nationalize all the sports!

NH. Golf can get fucked.

Irrelevant. Taxation is the fee one pays to live in society.

The fee one pays to the state to not be subjected to violence by the state.

Protection money is the fee one pays the mafia to not be subjected to violence by the mafia. I suppose that means the mafia is a perfectly legitimate organisation that should be encouraged to continue operating.

Nah. The State benefits society in mass. The mafia does not.

[Saiwania]

Yes. Have you forgotten that the debt has done nothing but grow since WW2? Do you need a course in basic finance as to how debt works even for individuals?

China is becoming more powerful than the US in general, so the US is not going to be having the leverage to just keep spending however much it wants to for forever.

[Forsher]

why fund roads when you could make teleporters

finally, an enlightened one

They actually are though.

this is too cliched to get you any galaxy brain reacts tbh

Complaining about cliches is almost like complaining about hypocrisy... it focusses on completely irrelevant characteristics and if you were to assume they they are actually relevant it forces the complainer to accept what they're supposedly rejecting. The only difference with cliches is that it involves fallacious logic.

(If cliche-dom is relevant then it just means we have to investigate why cliches become popular. Hence, argument ad populum. With hypocrisy... maybe the hypocrites who do something they're complaining about have relevant experience which causes them to make their complaints...)

Roads require force. It is not possible to make them work otherwise.

everything requires force if you dig down far enough, get over it lol

Search: private vs public good

You have completely misunderstood my statement. It is a rebuttal.

[Kragholm Free States]

Tbh why stop at the NFL? Nationalize all the sports!

NH. Golf can get fucked.

The fee one pays to the state to not be subjected to violence by the state.

Protection money is the fee one pays the mafia to not be subjected to violence by the mafia. I suppose that means the mafia is a perfectly legitimate organisation that should be encouraged to continue operating.

Nah. The State benefits society in mass. The mafia does not.

Tbh the mafia was benefitting society when the state decided that anyone who wanted a drink should be subjected to violence.

[Kowani]

Yes. Have you forgotten that the debt has done nothing but grow since WW2? Do you need a course in basic finance as to how debt works even for individuals?

China is becoming more powerful than the US in general, so the US is not going to be having the leverage to just keep spending however much it wants to for forever.

Infrastructure spending tends to pay itself back, however. It’s not like the military, which eventually becomes a black hole of money.

[Conserative Morality]

The fee one pays to the state to not be subjected to violence by the state.

Protection money is the fee one pays the mafia to not be subjected to violence by the mafia. I suppose that means the mafia is a perfectly legitimate organisation that should be encouraged to continue operating.

Sorry that you feel entitled to live on the land of another and not follow their rules, and on top of that, do it for free?

The sense of entitlement of you people is out of control.

[Chestaan]

A highly progressive income tax system.

[Kowani]

NH. Golf can get fucked.


Nah. The State benefits society in mass. The mafia does not.

Tbh the mafia was benefitting society when the state decided that anyone who wanted a drink should be subjected to violence.

Yes. I’m sure Al Capone’s victims felt benefited.

[Forsher]

They actually are though.

Roads require force. It is not possible to make them work otherwise.

Irrelevant. Taxation is the fee one pays to live in society.

DO NOT COLLAPSE COMMENTS.

I DID NOT SAY THIS. I SAID:

Privatise Illinois, roads are theft.

They actually are though.

If the government of Illinois can't afford to maintain their roads without enforcing poorly thought out punitive measures on people making sensible choices, then the government of Illinois should seriously consider letting the private sector step in.

Roads require force. It is not possible to make them work otherwise.

This is a completely different statement.

Kragholm is complaining about the inability of the state to maintain roads without the use of force. Roads can only function as private goods... the kinds of goods private enterprise can work with... through the use of force.

This is not, in any way, a statement about the morality of taxation. Not even remotely.

[The Cow and Dairy Isles]

Then Wyoming will protest their underrepresented and demand a team. Various flaws nationalizing it. Also what if American football loses interest and it just becomes a tax burden. And people who hate the sport pay taxes and support it.

I dunno, we gotta pay taxes to support other things we hate.

I'm pretty upset that my federal tax burden is going to Vermont and Alabama, but nobody likes my plan to cut those states loose.

Thing is sports don’t support people’s lives like things such as healthcare and welfare do. Also it’s been sorta tried in Green Bay with the town owning the packers and the people don’t like that too much (could be the packers are bad but)

[Kragholm Free States]

Tbh the mafia was benefitting society when the state decided that anyone who wanted a drink should be subjected to violence.

Yes. I’m sure Al Capone’s victims felt benefited.

As benefitted as the state's did.

[Kowani]

Yes. I’m sure Al Capone’s victims felt benefited.

As benefitted as the state's did.

Nah. They died.

[The Cow and Dairy Isles]

Also going to funding by taxes, consider the economic effects. Less people become rich and people have less money to invest in their companies so they stagnate. Plus wasn’t the 70% plan meant for her 32 trillion dollar healthcare plan?

[Kragholm Free States]

As benefitted as the state's did.

Nah. They died.

Doesn't everyone?

[Kowani]

Also going to funding by taxes, consider the economic effects. Less people become rich and people have less money to invest in their companies so they stagnate.

…That’s not how economics work.

[Saiwania]

Infrastructure spending tends to pay itself back, however. It’s not like the military, which eventually becomes a black hole of money.

Military spending doesn't have to have cost overruns. The US spends so much because we have so many "stupid people" as Donald Trump says. The US lets private defense contractors and corporations charge whatever they want. Russia and China for example, have world class militaries but spend only a fraction of what the US does. It is those models that should be aspired to.

[Forsher]

Also going to funding by taxes, consider the economic effects. Less people become rich and people have less money to invest in their companies so they stagnate. Plus wasn’t the 70% plan meant for her 32 trillion dollar healthcare plan?

Here is your logic:

• taxes
• ?????
• fewer rich people

Try again.